r/bookclub • Yearbook Editor-in-Chief • Sep 05 '24

A Day of Fallen Night [Discussion] A Day of Fallen Night by Samantha Shannon Ch. 50-57

Welcome fellow dragonriders to our sixth discussion of A Day of Fallen Night! We're a little over halfway through the book at this point, and are seeing a lot more of what we are all really here for: dragons! Let's get started.

First, a friendly reminder to use spoiler tags for anything ahead of Ch. 57, as well as anything from The Priory of the Orange Tree! This novel can be thought of as a prequel or a standalone novel, and as such not everyone may have read The Priory.

Links to the marginalia and schedule.

"Five hundred and eleven years.  All those sisters who came before us, who lived and died without seeing the war they knew was coming-we must realize their destinies as well as ours.  We must win against an evil that does not hear reason, and you must lead us."

Ch. 50 East

Dumai, Nikeya, and Kanifa arrive at the City of the Thousand Flowers, in the Empire of the Twelve Lakes.  They are greeted by the Minister of Ceremony, and learn that King Padar has already been there, asking after Mistress (now Master) Kiprun.  As Furtia is led to water, she tells Dumai that only fallen night can stop the fire from rising.  As Dumai goes to sleep, she reaches out to her dream-twin for the first time in awhile.  Dumai warns her that the wyrms are coming, and to be ready.  At midnight, Consort Jekhen summons Dumai.  As she gets ready, she requests Nikeya, and allows her to comb her hair as she tells of what she knows about Consort Jekhen.  Nikeya begins to feel ill, so Dumai lets her rest in her bed.  

Dumai meets with Consort Jekhen, who says King Padar vouched for her and she may meet with Master Kiprun.  Suddenly, a woman enters on horseback, who turns out to the the Hüran Princess.  She comes announcing that King Bardholt of Hrόth is dead.  She also introduces Nayimathun of the Deep Snows, the first dragon of the Empire of the Twelve Lakes to awake.

Ch. 51 West

Glorian prepares for her parents' entombment and thinks about the warning her dream-twin gave her.  She travels with the Virtues Council, the Dukes Spiritual, and many of the Earls Provincial and Knights Bachelor to the Sanctuary of Queens on Rose Island.  Glorian is allowed some time by herself in the tomb to pray, and she goes down the line looking at the tombs of previous Queens and their Consorts.  She reaches her parents' tomb, and tells them she loves them and misses them.  The rest of the entourage comes in, a total of about 300 witnesses, and they sing a song to the deceased.  A tooth from each of them is placed into their tombs, as there are no other remains.  As they leave, Glorian starts to sing a song in Hrόthi in memory of her father.

After the song, Glorian sees wyrms appear over the horizon, one large with many smaller ones around it.  The large wyrm is black, and that is how she knows it is not the Nameless One.  It appears before her and addresses her as the Queen of Inys, and names itself Fýredel.  He brings the bones of her parents, and warns her that the cold one was her kin, who fell to his flame.  Fýredel tells her that when the days grow long and hot, they will come.  She thinks about what each of her parents told her about finding courage, and forging her armor, and she tells the wyrm that she will drive him back with sword and spear, bow and lance if he dares turn fire on Inys.  The smaller wyrms set fire to Ascalun, and Glorian is picked up and taken away as she tries to gather her parents' bones.

Ch. 52 North

Wulf meets with Einlek Óthling, the new King of Hrόth.  Wulf tells him that they were attacked by the wyrms that came out of the Dreadmount.  Einlek wants to know how Wulf survived, when he should have frozen in the sea.  Wulf's answer is that he chose ice rather than fire.  Einlek then asks him if he will pledge himself to him, and to go to Inys to let Glorian know what happened.  Wulf then meets with the small remainder of his lith-Thrit, Sauma, and Karlsten.  Karsten is outraged that once again Wulf survived, and says he will not serve with a witch.  

Ch. 53 South

Tunuva, Siyu, and Canthe travel back to the Priory as Carmentum burns.  Canthe is very weak from the exertion of her strange power, and Lalhar is dead.  At the Priory, Tunuva and Siyu go to meet with Esbar, and Tunuva tells her everything that happened. Esbar reprimands Siyu for her foolishness, and most of all for the death of her ichneumon.  Siyu explains that she only wanted choices, and now she has chosen the Priory, and she apologizes. 

Siyu is dismissed, and Tunuva looks at the tablets and fragments from the archives Esbar has spread about.  Esbar explains she has been reading up on texts written by her ancestor, Siyāti uq-Nāra, who wrote of trying to find a cure for the dragon plague.  Tunuva draws a picture of the dragon for the first time since her son died, and explains the magic Canthe used against it.  Esbar is troubled by this news, and does not trust Canthe.  As Tunuva vouches for her, Esbar asks her why she doesn't just go to Canthe's chamber instead. 

Esbar intends to send men to Queen Daraniya to aid them, and Tunuva will join them in a few days.  She goes to visit Canthe, who murmurs the name "Sabran" as she wakes, and explains that it was her daughter's name.  Tunuva says she named her birthson for the stars.  Canthe then explains her magic, which she calls sterren, that comes from the stars and flows like water, and is the opposite of siden.  Canthe then tells Tunuva that she knows of a babe that was found by the haithwood and adopted, who in Inys it is thought was born from a witch, that may be her son.

Ch. 54 West

 Wulf, Sauma, and Thrit travel to Inys by boat.  Wulf asks Thrit about the dragons of the East, and Thrit shows him an amulet given to him by his grandfather for protection, with a carving of a dragon.  Sauma alerts them to a bad storm coming, so they seek shelter on land.  Once it passes, Wulf refuses to go back on the ship.  He and Thrit travel by foot, and come across a landed boat with the sail of Clan Vatten.  Wulf looks on the deck of the ship and finds people dead, with redness to the elbows, faces contorted in agony.  The sickness has reached Inys.

Glorian is stuck in the Queens' Tower as others deal with the madness in the city.  She feels guilt for taunting Fýredel, thinking she caused this to happen.  She wants to fight, but no one will let her leave.  She tells Florell to get Prince Therico there as fast as possible, as she knows she cannot leave unless she produces an heir.  She prays for rain, and later she wakes to the sound of thunder, and hears a voice saying "I hear".

Ch. 55 East

Dumai wakes from a dream soaking wet, remembering the voice that had begged for help, and for rain.  Somehow, she knows that she could do this, and she hears thunder though there is no storm outside.  She meets with Kanifa in the courtyard, and then they meet the famous Master Kiprun, the eccentric court alchemist.  He dismisses ideas of magic, saying he deals with truths.  When Dumai mentions what Furtia has told her about the fallen night, he becomes more interested in the conversation.  He explains that the world has many contrasts, night/day, fire/water, sky/earth and explains a theory of the weighing scales, which states that the world is tuned to duality in balance.  He posits that they are currently in an Age of Fire that is burning too strong.  He thinks he should consult with an astronomer, which is the opposite science that he studies.

Outside, they see smoke.  Dumai immediately runs to the Hidden Lake and boards Furtia.  Nayimathun looks at her, and wonders how it is that she carries the light.  The city is being burned by winged creatures, with two legs.  Furtia and Nayimathun easily takes one of them down, but then they see a giant wyrm with golden scales, two horns, and four legs coming towards them.  Furtia attempts to attack it, but is injured, and Dumai falls from her back.  She stumbles through the streets, running from strange contorted creatures before she is picked up by Nayimathun, who breaks the ice on the Lake of Long Days, bringing forth another.

Ch. 56 West

Glorian is summoned to meet with Lord Robart to receive a royal messenger.  As they walk, Glorian grills him on the going-ons of the Council, and what they are doing in light of the disaster.  When they get to the throne room, Glorian sits on the throne, and Lord Robart awkwardly tells her he has to sit there, and she on the stool next to him. The messenger is Lady Mara, Wulf's sister, with a message from Queen Marian.  She wants to come to court to be with her granddaughter.  Lord Robart refuses her.  As Mara goes to leave, another messenger appears with news of the Conviction.  It turns out to be Wulf, who pledges himself to Glorian.  He tells her first about the sickness, and then everything that happened to the ship.

Later, Glorian reads a letter from Einlek, urging her to look to the Saint first, and then to herself.  She is summoned to the Virtues Council, who tell her that Prince Therico is dead.  There is a backup member of the Vetalda though, all ready to marry Glorian.  Prince Guma Vetalda is in his 70s and has already agreed to the match, they can be married tomorrow.  Glorian is technically given the choice, but she chooses to marry him and be done with it.

Ch. 57 East

It has been several days since the attack by the wyrm, named Taugran (splendid death), who was driven off by Nayimathun, Furtia, and the Imperial Dragon, who is now awake.  Dumai is injured, but joins Consort Jekhen and Princess Irebül in witnessing a demonstration by Master Kiprun, who has just invented explosives from a black powder he found in the mountains.  Consort Jekhen tells Dumai that Master Kiprun has requested a particular astronomer, who lives on Brhazat, the tallest peak known.  She wants Dumai to take him there on dragonback.  She offers a huge crossbow, meant for war, to take back to Seiiki to give them knowledge in exchange for her flying with Furtia for the astonomer's knowledge.  With the advice of Kanifa and Nikeya, she decides to go.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. What do you think of the rule of Queen Glorian so far?  Is she right to trust her councilors and regent, and should she marry Prince Guma?

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u/isaabelllee Sep 05 '24

I'm really hoping for her that something will come between her getting married. And I hope she'll learn that she's also important as a person and not just her womb. She's doing a great job and putting her queendom needs first, while wanting to continue her parents legacy. I do not really trust her regent though

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 06 '24

And I hope she'll learn that she's also important as a person and not just her womb.

Ugh, I feel this! That was heartbreaking, and poor Florell tried to tell her that but Glorian just doesn't believe it, with everyone else telling her an heir is needed.

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u/cat_alien Too Many Books Too Little Reading Time Sep 09 '24

I also hope something keeps Glorian from marrying Guma. I understand that she is making a sacrifice and doing what's best for the kingdom, but a teenager marrying a 74 year old for his money and fighters is just very disturbing. I don't think the regent Lord Robart is evil though. I think he is just emotionless and practical.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

I hope she'll learn that she's also important as a person and not just her womb

Well said. Glorian is so tragic and I really want more for her. She deserves better than some geriatric husband just because she she is Queen and obliged to secure her heir. She's been dealt a rough hand!

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. We have gotten several cryptic mentions from Furtia concerning a "fallen night" that is their only hope of stopping these fire beasts.  Being in the title of the book, it seems important.  What do you think "fallen night" is exactly?

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u/isaabelllee Sep 05 '24

I somehow always think of shooting stars when I read fallen night. But I'm not sure how they would stop the fire beasts.

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u/fromdusktil Dragon rider | 🐉🧠 Sep 13 '24

We keep being led to the sky. Dragons came from the stars, Canthe's magic is from the stars, Dumai supposedly contains a falling star. And we know that sky balances earth, or the wyrms.

Maybe "fallen night" is the rising of the dragons, empowered by the comet that was mentioned?

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u/Magical_Narwhal_1213 Jun 12 '26

I think it has something to do with a comet and a meteor shower or something like that since stars are mentioned a lot and with Canthe’s magic being from the stars. It might be when the stars are at their strongest (meteor shower or maybe an eclipse or the winter solstice or something) that the wryms can be stopped.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. We are now a little over halfway through this behemoth of a book.  What do you think of the book so far?  If you read The Priory of the Orange Tree, how does this book compare (please be mindful to use spoiler tags!)?

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u/Awesomesauceme Sep 05 '24

I think compared to Priory, the POVs are much more balanced. I feel like Tane’s POV barely got shown and Ead’s POV dominated

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u/fromdusktil Dragon rider | 🐉🧠 Sep 13 '24

I agree - there is much more balance to the time we're spending with each character.

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u/hazycrazydaze Sep 20 '24

I’m enjoying this one much more than the Priory so far! But my main issue with Priory was the rushed ending so we’ll see how I feel about this one at the end.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

I actually preferred Priory. I am really struggling with this one, bit maybe that will change now the stakes are higher and the action has well kicked in. I had problems keeping Priory straight too so maybe it's too early to call it

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. What do you think of Canthe's reveal of the mysterious baby that grew up to be Wulf?  Do you believe he could be Tuva's lost son, or is this a trick?

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u/cat_alien Too Many Books Too Little Reading Time Sep 09 '24

I think it might be true, but I'm not sure. It would explain why Wulf keeps surviving. I still don't trust Canthe though, even though she saved Siyu and Tuva.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

It would explain why Wulf keeps surviving.

Oooo yes it would. I like your thinking. I was already firmly in the Wulf is Tuva's son camp, but this comment has tipped the scale even more for me.

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u/fromdusktil Dragon rider | 🐉🧠 Sep 13 '24

I think there were bread crumbs laid through out previous chapters that led to Wulf being Tuva's son, so it may be true.

Wulf may be the link that brings the Priory in with the rest of the story lines - the others are already connected. Wulf and Glorian are childhood friends and she is half Hrothi, and Glorian and Dumai are connected through dreams. So far, the Priory is the only strand not truly interwoven.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. What do you make of Dumai's apparent ability to bring on rain?  Do you have any theories on how she is able to do this?

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u/fromdusktil Dragon rider | 🐉🧠 Sep 13 '24

She contains a fallen star, and the dragons (who are very aligned with water) are supposedly from the stars. Maybe Dumai came from the same place as the dragons. After all, her dragon's name is Furtia Stormcaller, so this may be foreshadowing.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

Omg when you lay it put like this is make so much sense. I still feel really unsure about the magic system. I hope more is revealed

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. We met Master Kiprun the alchemist.  What do you think about this new character & his theory of balance?  Do you think he can actually help restore balance between the sky and earth, fire and water?

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u/Awesomesauceme Sep 05 '24

I really find him funny and the way he called Dumai a fish princess is crazy

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 06 '24

Haha yes!! I found him so amusing, definitely an instant favorite minor character for me.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. Anything else you’d like to discuss?  Any favorite quotes or moments?

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u/Awesomesauceme Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

I honestly don’t like how Esbar was talking to Siyu about everything. I think that while Siyu didn’t make the best decisions, it was really unfair to blame her for everyone’s death, especially when she was already grieving. Siyu wouldn’t have even left if not for the shock of finding Anyso’s body, which was likely planted by somebody. Grief can make people make irrational decisions honestly, and I feel like Esbar downplayed her grief a lot. Not only was Anyso her lover, but her child’s father. The only death she could possibly be blamed for is Lalhar, and even then she tried to defend Lalhar in the arena. All the others would have died regardless because Carmentum was destroyed. Anyso only died because of the Priory’s rules and corruption. I get why Siyu apologized, but I think the others should have apologized to her about Anyso and for hiding his death from her. The punishment itself is reasonable, but how Esbar talked to Siyu was borderline abusive.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 06 '24

Yeah Esbar was taking the idea of tough love a little too far I think, and not considering the actions of the Priory that led to Siyu's.

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u/Fulares 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 Oct 12 '24

I agree that she came down very harshly on Siyu. Yes she made poor choices but she's very young and has had a lot happen recently which probably impacted her judgement. Not to mention the way Esbar was talking, the Priory was sounding very crazy cult to me. Given that, Siyu's decision to question the indoctrination seems really reasonable.

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u/Awesomesauceme Oct 12 '24

You’re so right! She literally just found out the father of her child was killed! Even a lot of people older than her wouldn’t act rationally in that situation

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. Compare the two funeral songs sang at Queen Sabran and King Bardholt's entombment, one Inysh and the other Hrόthi.  What do these songs tell us about how the two cultures view death?

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

Queen Sabran's Inysh Song

A feast upon a table, a wonder to behold, the apple trees, the river green, the court where none grow old. A place of true magnificence, away from war and hate, our eyes shall see in Halgalant, beyond those joyful gates.

Forget us not in happiness, ye good departed souls, ye feasters in the merry hall, who dance in fields of gold. Though our hearts ache for your welcome, for now we can but wait to meet again in Halgalant, beyond those joyful gates.

King Bardholt's Hróthi song

Mourn, he is gone, the warrior bold – hallow the bones, hallow the bones! See him above to the highest of halls – hammer the drums, muster the horns! Witness the glory he leaves in his wake! Carve his name into the ashes, the walls!

Run, he is rising, the one who is gone – look to the sun, look to the sun! Show him the way to the Saint’s open door – bring forth the ship, lift him aboard! Weep ye no more for the fallen exultant! Light every beacon to high Hólrhorn!

Rejoice, he is risen, the King of the North – loud did he roar, loud did he roar! Open the gates to the heavenly court – lay out the feast, let the wine pour! Shatter to dust all his enemies’ war horns! Sing to the eaves of his glittering fort!

Great question u/jaymae21

The Inysh song is almost joyous. The dead is going on to a wonderful place. The focus is on the departed's journey. In contrast the Hróthi song seems to focus on the mourners and the loss, whilst eflecting upon the life of the dead rather than what comes next. They have very different feels don't they. The Hróthi is sad and dark while the Inysh is hopeful and light. The Inysh focus is on an afterlife where the Hróthi is more of a finalness.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 28 '24

Thank you for posting the songs! I agree that the Inysh song focuses on the deceased reaching Halgalant and the Hrόthi focuses more on the life of the individual. The Hrόthi song also feels more personal to me for that reason, I think, and therefore sadder.

I also think the Inysh song is interesting in that the mourners are asking the deceased not to forget them as they go to Halgalant, while the Hrόthi song is a call to remember the deceased and his deeds in life.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. Which side of the coin do you fall?  Are you a fan of the day, light, fire, earth, and alchemy, or a child of night, shadow, water, sky, astronomy, or do you stay pretty balanced?

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u/fromdusktil Dragon rider | 🐉🧠 Sep 13 '24

I would say I'm balanced. I was born on Earth Day (if you follow astrology, I'm a Taurus - earth sign!) and I definitely have earthy tendencies (just don't ask how many plants I have) but I also understand the need for balance. To keep it within the terms of this book: the earth needs water to bring life. We need day and fire to have night and shadow.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 Sep 27 '24

Hmmm interesting question. I think I'd probably say balanced. I love long light summer nights, having my barefeet on the grass or in the sand and chemistry but nothing beat star gazing or watching rain run down the window whilst warm inside.

Wjat about you u/jaymae21

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 28 '24

Ha yeah realistically I think most people are balanced, which is a good thing!

I think for myself I would go: day>night, light>shadow, water>fire, sky>earth, and astronomy>alchemy.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. We see several strange hybrid creatures in the attacks on Carmentum and the City of the Thousand Flowers (i.e. a stag covered with scales sprouting wings with antlers of iron, a bear with eyes like fire, huffing sparks, a lioness with a neck like a serpent).  What do you think is going on with these animals?

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u/Awesomesauceme Sep 05 '24

I think perhaps the wyrms kill the animals and turn them into wyrm hybrids, like vampirism or zombification.

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 06 '24

Oh that's interesting! I hadn't consider that these beasts may be "undead".

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u/jaymae21 Yearbook Editor-in-Chief Sep 05 '24
  1. What predictions do you have for the second half of the book?  What would you like to see happen?