r/bookclub • u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 • 1d ago
Space Odyssey series [Discussion 4/4] Bonus Book - 2010: Odyssey Two by Arthur C. Clarke | Chapter 43 - Vanishing Trick to end
Hello, fellow astronauts and cosmonauts! Welcome to our fourth and final discussion on 2010: Odyssey Two by Arthur C. Clarke. Last week, we witnessed the return of David Bowman in a manner of speaking, and Heywood Floyd was tasked with delivering a cryptic warning to the crew of the Leonov. Will they finally take him seriously and manage to leave Jupiter ahead of schedule? What is Bowman's role and purpose? Will I actually write accurate chapter summaries this time? Let's strap ourselves in for the final countdown and find out!
The discussion schedule can be found here, and the marginalia post for the Space Odyssey series is here.
Chapter summaries
44 - Vanishing Trick: The crew of the Leonov continue to refine the so-called "thought experiment" while off-duty, and even Tanya chimes in for fun. Floyd knows the others are doing it because they want to go home sooner, not because they believe his Bowman ghost story. Luckily, the Leonov is less than half the size of the Discovery, so the thought experiment could work in theory. Meanwhile, Mission Control starts wondering what's going on with the Leonov's weird requests. The crew is still preparing for their regularly scheduled departure, but Floyd is less than enthused: he wishes that he could convince Tanya of the danger, or that she could unconvince him. On the day of the planned "assault" on Zagadka, Floyd is working the graveyard shift on the Discovery, trying (and failing) to read The Kreutzer Sonata in the original Russian. At 0125, Floyd sees an eruption on Io and moves to another window for a closer look, but what really spooks him is what he doesn't see: Zagadka has gone missing. He contacts Sasha, his graveyard shift counterpart on the Leonov, and they wake up the rest of the crew to discuss their options. Tanya is now slightly more inclined to make a hasty departure, and what really seals the deal is word of Betty Fernandez's story about Bowman's ghost visiting her, after being tricked into speaking with a reporter bearing a striking resemblance to her ex. While vindicated, Floyd can't help but feel he's on a crash course with disaster.
45 - Escape Maneuver: Floyd records his final report from the Lagrange point. Following the mysterious disappearance of Zagadka, the Leonov will use the Discovery as a booster and, with some slightly unintuitive help from Jupiter's gravity, the crew will return home much earlier than expected. This will mean that the Discovery will be left behind, but he hopes a future mission will return to Jupiter to retrieve it. The crew of the Leonov applauds him after he ends his recording, but Dr. Chandra still has objections: Hal will be asked to run a program that may destroy him. Hal still has a directive to keep the Discovery out of danger, and this maneuver has its risks, so the program may conflict with his instructions. Sasha wants Chandra to tell Hal to lie about the risks, and Chandra gets a little dodgy when asked if he's discussed the exit plan with Hal. He insists that Hal should be told the whole truth and decide for himself. Floyd takes the Orlovs aside and, over some Azerbaijani wine, asks them to go along with Chandra and if Hal goes rogue again, Floyd can give them manual control thanks to his killswitch.
46 - Countdown: Max docks the Leonov to the Discovery in a "coupling" maneuver and uses space-grade duct tape to seal the connection. Mission Control asks the Leonov to investigate a strange shadow on Jupiter, which Tanya acknowledges dismissively. After a countdown, Hal initiates ignition as programmed. With the first phase successful, Orlova orders the crew to get some rest for a few hours. However, Floyd is too nervous to sleep, so he goes to the observation deck and notices that dark spot on Jupiter that Mission Control mentioned. It's pitch black, fuzzy around the edges--and growing. He calls Vasili to check it out too, and even he's spooked.
47 - Final Flyby: Floyd can't sleep because he's understandably nervous about a lot of things lately. The final burn is coming up, and Floyd is worried about what Hal will do. Chandra and Curnow, who has the killswitch in his pocket, are on the Discovery with Hal. When the Great Dark Spot comes into view again, Hal overhears the shocked gasps from the crew of the Leonov. Hal calculates that the Great Dark Spot is made up of over 1 million monoliths. At T minus 8 minutes, Hal suggests the crew stays near Jupiter to investigate this phenomenon. Chandra eventually persuades him that they have to leave. Curnow wonders if Hal could actually be lonely. Chandra promises to tell Hal the reasons why they have to leave, but they don't have time right now. Hal goes silent until the ignition goes off as scheduled.
48 - Over the Nightside: Floyd is finally able to relax a little, knowing that Hal complied. He moves to the observation lounge to watch the Leonov's final farewell to the Jovian system with Zenia and Katerina. Tanya announces the decoupling will begin soon and orders Curnow and Chandra to return to the Leonov, while Max and Sasha stand by in case they need to manually decouple the spacecraft in an EVA. The charges around the space duct tape detonate, and the decoupling goes off without a hitch. During ignition, Floyd can barely make out Zenia's comment about Jupiter getting a new moon above all the noise. Floyd watches dawn break on Jupiter as the Leonov reaches escape velocity.
49 - Devourer of Worlds: The Great Dark Spot returns to view the next morning, bigger and blacker than ever, with trails of gas swirling into its centre. The crew discusses theories of what it could be. Katerina compares it to a virus eating away at a cell and multiplying. Curnow compares it to a million vacuum cleaners sucking up the planet's atmosphere. Vasili says the monoliths that comprise the spot double in size, then split in two, which explains the rapid growth. Ternovsky surmises they're von Neumann machines. Vasili calculates that at this rate, the monoliths will weigh more than Jupiter itself in a couple more days. Curnow laughs and says Zagadka is like a Swiss army knife: it's a signalling device, spy machine, and transportation system all in one, though it might have trouble uncorking a bottle of wine or julienning fries.
50 - Farewell to Jupiter: After recording a message to his lawyer, Floyd prepares a message for his soon-to-be-ex-wife Caroline. He hopes for an amicable resolution, especially where their son Chris is concerned, and promises he'll never leave Earth again unless it's to go to the Moon. Afterward, Floyd watches Chandra and is amazed at how well he's taking his separation from Hal. Ternovsky tells him Chandra is too busy working on HAL 10,000 to get too choked up. Floyd congratulates Chandra on his role in the mission, especially since everyone was afraid Hal wouldn't comply. Chandra says he used ahimsa to soothe him and reveals, much to Floyd's shock, that he knew about the killswitch and had disconnected it months ago. Sasha breaks the tension with a message from the flight deck that something weird is happening. Again.
51 - The Great Game: We learn a bit more about the beings behind the monoliths. They used to be corporeal beings, and they set off to explore the stars, observing how life developed on different worlds. Sometimes they helped some worlds evolve intelligent life, while on other worlds they destroyed life that held no such promise. Earth was one of those worlds they cultivated. Eventually these beings transferred their thoughts and minds to machines, and finally became beings of pure energy, watching over the experiments they had started throughout the galaxy.
52 - Ignition: David Bowman returns to the Discovery. While the Leonov is on its way back home, it's not completely out of the woods yet, and Bowman knows the beings' experiment might not succeed. Bowman finds Hal and gives the computer a new set of instructions, the most important Hal has ever had. Hal protests that will mean breaking contact with the Leonov, but Bowman uses an old override code and tells Hal to broadcast a final message using the AE 35, the very same antenna involved in Hal's mutiny nine years ago. Hal asks if he was a good computer and what Dave means by "final." Bowman hesitates, apparently conferring with his energy overlords for another request. Eventually, Bowman says that message will be Hal's last one for a very long time. Hal sends Chandra a message warning of a break in transmission, then relays Bowman's message to Mission Control. Some time later, the Discovery is utterly destroyed, yet Hal has somehow survived to become Bowman's companion.
Meanwhile, on the Leonov, we see what Sasha was so spooked about: the Great Dark Spot has completely engulfed Jupiter, and the planet is now shrinking and glowing white. Blinding light pours out of the planet, then fades to reveal a new tiny star. As the star expands once more, Vasili adjusts the Leonov's orientation so as to avoid the crew getting pummelled by radiation. Once they are out of danger, the crew discusses how Jupiter became a star and surmise that the monoliths sucked up the atmosphere and converted it into heavier materials, which sank down to the core and eventually caused the planet to collapse into a star. They wonder if this was an accident or intentional, and lament the loss of any theorized life on Jupiter. Max then asks what happened to the Discovery and Hal, but they're both gone.
53 - A Gift of Worlds: We see the message Hal sent to Earth before Jupiter collapsed: "All these worlds are yours--except Europa. Attempt no landings there." The crew of the Leonov realize that Jupiter is now its own mini solar system, though Tanya wonders why Europa is off-limits. Floyd says it's probably because there's life there, and whoever created the new star wants humans to leave it alone. Ganymede should be fine, Callisto should be fine but cold, and Io should be an even worse hellscape. Curnow is troubled about why Hal sent the message to Earth, and not to the Leonov. Floyd realizes Bowman warned them to leave, but that's all he did, and the crew could very well have been toast if they hadn't saved themselves. They wonder if Bowman's "friends" are truly benevolent, and Floyd is glad they may never know.
54 - Between Suns: Curnow, Chandra, and Floyd are going into hibernation for the voyage home. As Floyd drifts off to sleep, Katerina admits the ship will be strange without the Americans up and about. Floyd then learns wedding bells will be ringing when they get back to Earth. Not only will Max and Zenia be getting married, but Curnow and Katerina will be tying the knot, as well. Floyd falls asleep with a smile on his face at the thought of Curnow getting an earful from Katerina if he ever wakes up with second thoughts.
55 - Lucifer Rising: The people of Earth are slowly getting used to the idea of another sun in the sky. Nighttime is a much rarer occurrence, which has its benefits and downsides. Yet questions still remain about why Jupiter was turned into a star at all, how long it would shine, and why no one can step foot on Europa. Humankind vows to find the answers, one way or another.
Epilog - 20,001: Intelligent life on Europa has evolved, and they are now turning their attention to the stars that shine on the dark side of the tidally locked planet, and wonder about the little lights that blink in and out on the surfaces of Europa's neighbours. Some Europans believe these lights are a sign of intelligent life, but wonder why no one from these other worlds has come to visit. Europa also has a monolith of its own, straddling the light and dark side. An invisible barrier repels all touch, and some believe it also wards away visitors from elsewhere. Unbeknownst to them, the humans who have colonized the other habitable planets have been trying to land probes on Europa, to no effect. All they can do is wait for the Europans to develop radio technology and hope for the beings behind the monolith to lift the interdiction.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
2- Chandra insists on telling Hal the truth about the Leonov's exit strategy. Is this a wise course of action?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
I agree that trying to lie to Hal could have unpredictable consequences and then you would have to remember what you said to not contradict yourself more. The truth is at least consistent and Hal can see that the humans insist on the same story and outcome every time so it is important. But that would be a risk for sure.
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 15h ago
It would seem that Chandra did, in fact, know Hal better than anyone. Perhaps the trust meant there was no conflict in orders and actually kept Hal on task idk?!
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 14h ago edited 9h ago
Yes, I think Hal would have been able to compute that the situation didn't align with what he had been told, had they lied, and then the situation would have truly become unpredictable. Chandra instead cultivated HAL's trust, as much as possible, throughout. I wonder if that's also part of why he wanted to be the only one who would speak to him? That's also the moment in hindsight where he shows that he values honesty and transparency—there's a certain irony in it, since our POV character doubted the two characters who valued honesty (to the point it went against HAL's core design and drove him crazy to lie) while he was the one keeping the device secret.
I do think that there was a risk either way, but ultimately Chandra was the expert authority on HAL!
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
3- Chandra says humans are machines too, just like Hal. Do you agree with him, or is he humanizing Hal?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
If our emotions and memories are only in our neurons in our brains... then yes, we would be machines. The thing is every neuron is separated from the next by a microscopic empty space. Soooo is our essence in that space? And if our essence or consciousness is in our neurons, could it be downloaded into metal circuits?
I don't know! Answering this question seems like a recipe for an existential crisis 😂
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
4- Is Curnow right in thinking Hal might be lonely on the Discovery?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
I feel that to be lonely, a person must also feel time passing. If Hal doesn't feel the passing of the time as acutely as we do, I don't know if he could feel lonely this fast.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 17h ago
Perhaps... I don't feel that we really understand HAL, so I'm not sure if it was Curnow anthropomorphizing him. Chandra does consider him sentient and we know that he has a survival drive, we know that he experienced a psychosis after falling into a Hofstadter—Moebius loop... but we haven't yet really established what he's capable of and how he perceives the world. Chandra did seem to be moved when he reassured him that they would still have an hour together during the maneuver, but that reaction could also be open to interpretation... Mmm.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
5- If you were a crewmember of the Leonov, what theory would you have about the nature of the Great Dark Spot?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
Something not good for sure lol I would think it is a whole and I would get as far as possible.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
6- Were you surprised that Chandra had found out about Hal's killswitch and had disconnected it? Was he right to do so?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
Yeah I couldn't imagine he didn't know about it. If Floyd can think about it, Chandra (or even Hal) can think about what others could do. Chandra had weeks to find it and Hal could help with suggestions.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 19h ago edited 17h ago
Yeah, I think Floyd has subtly (and not so subtly) been looking down on Chandra all along and this created a huge blindspot in his vision. His organization had also already proven several times that they're not above openly lying and omitting critical information from their astronauts (even the first incident with HAL was caused by this sort of behavior) so I imagine that Chandra would have been extra vigilant.
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 18h ago
Good observation about Floyd looking down on Chandra. I had that feeling as well!
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 15h ago
Yes this bothered me too. How could Chandra not find it. Hal is like his baby!
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 9h ago
Hw must be so heartbroken, thinking Discovery was destroyed... 🥲
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
7- Do you think Floyd and Caroline will be able to divorce amicably when he gets back home? What about his relationship with his son?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
If I were Caroline I think I would have done what I could to be detached from Floyd because he put himself in a situation where the odds of not coming back were high enough (especially since the previous expedition didn't come back). So he chose that even if that meant maybe not seeing me or our son again. While I would understand his reasons, it doesn't change the fact that that trip was more important than our relationship, so I am also allowed to choose to detach myself and find a purpose or someone who shares my goal to build a life together. And I would know that all this wouldn't be over when he is back on Earth, far from it! He has to deal with all the scientific repercussions, the interviews, discussions, etc. His life is completely different now.
As for his son, it depends on so many things. His age, what he know of his father and especially if his father really make time to see him and build a relationship with him. A birthday card and a visit here and there doesn't build a relationship.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 20h ago
I couldn't agree more. Floyd's got some work to do if he wants to build a meaningful relationship with his son.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 15h ago
Right. I was pretty put off when Floyd self-righteously thought "a boy needs his father" because... yeah? How are you so close yet so far. At least he does seem determined to be there for the kid now.
Though I've also questioned at times his completely lackadaisical attitude towards his daughters and how they only warranted a couple of calls because they were over 18.5
u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 15h ago
I hadn't even realized he had daughters!! That is how important they seemed to be!
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
8- We finally get a glimpse into who was behind the monoliths. Do you think they are friendly or hostile? Are they truly dispassionate experimenters?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
They are so far removed from humans that we can't know how they think about us and they probably can't really understand us. Bowman was something they could use to bridge that cap a little.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 16h ago
So far they do seem to be pretty dispassionate, not so different from how humans behave when studying bacteria in a culture but slightly more willing to entertain their subjects (Bowman). If they were able to immortalize their thoughts in frozen lattices of light, I wonder if they're not also able to re-immerse themselves in slightly less advanced versions of whatever they are, now? Or to transpose other living beings in a similar manner/medium and experience their own, limited point of view? I guess we shall see!
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 15h ago
This is a great analogy and I completely agree. What this means for the future, though, i don't know!
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
9- Why does Bowman ask his overlords to "save" Hal, especially in light of what Hal tried to do to him in the last novel? Has Bowman forgiven Hal, or is it a moot point now
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
Well in this case, it was explicitly mentioned that Bowman felt lonely, so I guess a talking computer is better than those entities who just make him "feel" their answers when they choose to.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
10- Jupiter is a failed star no longer! Were you expecting this development? Shoutout to u/Coffee_fuel for their lightbulb moment last week.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 20h ago
Omg :D. That was so much fun! Honestly, had Sagan not been mentioned as the one who first speculated about those alien life forms on Jupiter, I would have never looked for the balloon alien clip from Cosmos to share the visual, and been reminded of the failed star moniker. I thought they'd just be doing some humble terraforming before that! 😂
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
Something was definitely going to happen because during his visit inside Jupiter, Bowman seemed to know that all the life there was going to disappear soon. But I didn't know what would happen. But I know it would have something to do with kickstarting some life in the neighbourhood 😄
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 13h ago
This was honestly so great and u/coffee_fuel's comments last week made it even more perfect. I definitely didn't think this was going to happen but I really enjoy how Clarke continues to drive the storyline forward
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 10h ago
I genuinely let out a little scream when that happened, hahaha.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
11- Curnow and Katerina are getting married! Did you see this coming? Were there any clues in the novel?
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 19h ago
I wish we had seen them interact, because I think they have the potential of being a really fun couple. I'm a huge fan of the serious-tough lady with a sense of humor/competent, roguish jester with a heart of gold dynamic.
Though I wasn't super keen on how both of the single women on the mission became engaged after maybe a couple of months of being in space. Curnow in particular seemed to be into Max just a handful of weeks before this reveal...
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 13h ago
I wish we had seen them interact, because I think they have the potential of being a really fun couple.
Oh my goodness...yes!!! They really are very good for each other!
Ikwym about the engagements these are highly educated women. Why couldn't they just have revealed their relationship without an engagement. I choose to see it as a product of its time....the 80s. Hmmmm!
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
hahaha non I didn't! But they are well suited for each other. She is competent and serious but with a fun side that will let her appreciate (and temperate) Walter's clowneries lol
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
12- What would you imagine it would be like to live in a world with two suns? Would you like it?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
When I worked in the Arctic I spent a few summers when the sun didn't set for about two months... That was weird. It did go down and then kissed the horizon on the North and came right up (on a curve). It was WILD to be fishing at 1am under full sun. I was hard to sleep because the village didn,t have basement (because of permafrost) so we would put aluminum foil in the windows!
I prefer having nights (but not all day lol)
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 20h ago
Oh wow, that sounds like such a unique experience (or at least unique to someone who hasn't gone that far north).
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 18h ago
It was special and I was young and could adapt to many things back then 😆
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 12h ago
Did you also experience perma-night? How was that? Not nearly as extreme as you but I lived on and off for 6 years in Norway and it was so strange to come out of a nightclub/afterparty and it felt like 11am it was so bright. I didn't realise how much I missed the starts till they came back in the fall. How long were you there all together?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 12h ago
I was there from 1999 to 2002 and then I went back and forth for shorter periods. The nights at that latitude were different, as in we had a full month where the sun didn't rise at all, BUT it was reasonably bright between noon and 4pm. As in you would see the stars until noon and then the sun came so close under the horizon that there would be a kind of twilight for a few hours. I used to compare it to a cloudy day because the sky was greyish but you would know there is no clouds because you could see the stars just before. When the sun comes back it is just for a few seconds at the beginning (around noon) and one colleague used to say it is the only time she can drink a coffee between sunrise and sunset without the coffee getting cold 🤭 Then the sun would appear for longer and longer periods until it wouldn't set anymore for two months (mid may to mid july).
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 12h ago
What a fascinating experience. I love where I live now and the long late summer evenings but the trade off is dark winters. I definitely couldn't live further north than where I used to live. I think I am too sensitive to the sun (even with Vitamin D supplements)
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 9h ago
That sounds so beautiful. I haven't had the opportunity yet, but I would love to take my time and go to Northern Norway or even visit Svalbard someday, in order to experience something similar... 😩
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 9h ago
This was in Northern Canada, so it was cold (as we have the Labrador current) but hopefully you could go to the same latitudes in Norways and it would be less cold (thanks to the Gulf Stream). But you would get the same sun patterns :)
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 19h ago edited 19h ago
I'm not sure... I feel Clarke is underestimating the environmental impact that having a second sun could have, particularly if it contributed a significant amount of additional heat and light and removed night for months at a time. But we don't have the details, so I'm willing to go with it.
I prefer night to day so it would be a big loss... I think I'd fare much better in the opposite situation, haha.
Put me on Tattooine with Obi-Wan, and I would be willing to entertain it though. 😌
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
13- Why is Europa off-limits? Do you think humans will eventually be allowed to land there again some day?
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 19h ago
Humans cannot be trusted with nurturing its delicate balance.
It seems to me like our alien overlords are interested in watching how cultures and intelligent species evolve independently (after being given a nudge, perhaps) and value the unique aspects they each bring...? But it seems that they may also want to experiment and see how first contact between them, once they're on a more even technological level, may play out. Which would be impossible to do if humans were allowed to be involved from the start. Looking at the titles... maybe in the fourth book?
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 12h ago
I assume they don't want Earth life interfering with Europa life. Which is interesting really, considering they interfered with Earth life lol
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
14- How would you rate this book? Did you enjoy it more or less than the first novel? Would you be interested in reading the third novel, 2061?
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u/airsalin Womanning The Ship 1d ago
I really liked it. The women characters were nice to have. There were some jabs at women being this and that and we had to know about their level of attractiveness, but at least those bits were short. I liked reading about the ship manoeuvres, the life of the crew, the descriptions of the planets and satellites and the life around Jupiter. I would be very curious to read 2061 and I own a copy, so I would definitely participate!
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 18h ago
I enjoyed it a lot more than the first one! I was a little annoyed by the decision to follow the movie canon at first, but I really fell in love with how the novel tackled Jupiter, how it played with our expectations about HAL and explored the situation from a different, more charitable point of view (particularly interesting to see how this angle will evolve since the "creators" initially also turned themselves into machines). I would be happy to continue the series!
I also have a huge weakness for the concept of spaceship minds ever since I read the Culture, which was one of the universes that made me fall in love with sci-fi (I've never finished the whole series though, perhaps I should nominate it here at some point 👀).
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 12h ago
I really enjoyed it and I think I preferred it to book 1. What about you u/Lachesis_Decima77. In theory I am 100% up for it but in practice I dunno realistically how much I can take on. My schedule is about to get terrifyingly busy!
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 10h ago
I also enjoyed the sequel more than the first book. I'm up for continuing the series at some point.
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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 9h ago
I can help run it if you think it would help lighten ️the load. ☺️
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
15- Anything else you'd like to discuss that I might have missed?
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u/Opyros 1d ago
So we aren’t going to watch the Peter Hyams movie?
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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | 🐫🐉🥈||🧠🥈 12h ago
I still didn't even get round to watching the 1st movie! We could make space in the marginalia to discuss it maybe?
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 20h ago
It wasn't planned on the schedule, but if there's any interest in it, we could see. I'd have to ask my co-runner.
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u/Lachesis_Decima77 Tea Connoisseur ⭐️🧠🥉 1d ago
1- Why does it take word about Betty Fernandez's ghost story to convince Tanya they need to leave early? Should the monolith's disappearance have been enough?