r/bookclub • World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 • 27d ago

Parisian Days [Discussion 2/3] Bonus Book: Parisian Days by Banine: A Tale of the Unexpected through The Great Parisian Future

Hello readers, welcome back to the second discussion of Parisian Days. Today we are discussing from A Tale of the Unexpected through The Great Parisian Future. Last week u/lazylittlelady left us on a cliffhanger, wondering what was going to break the monotony for Banine - let’s find out what it was!

A summary of this section follows and questions will be in the comments. Next week u/tomesandtea will lead us through to the end of Banine’s Parisian adventure.

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Marginalia (includes RtW Azerbaijan)

5 Ways White Russian Émigrés Influenced French Culture

A Tale of the Unexpected

Cousin Gulnar breaks the monotony with her surprise arrival and exuberant personality. Banine and Gulnar move into a furnished apartment together, and Gulnar sets upon her task of finding Banine a lover. Gulnar makes friends with a Russian taxi driver, Colonel Nikolai Karpov. Banine learns that Gulnar has a “husband”, Otto von X, who is always away on business and seems to be financing her lifestyle. She spends her days shopping, and employs a heavily drinking maid, Clémentine. Otto eventually arrives; he is elegant and sophisticated, but prone to jealousy. He stays a month and on his last night, they visit a Russian nightclub, where émigrés listen to nostalgic songs and shed a tear for the homeland. Later, a jazz song reminds Banine of the sound of the drumbeat of mourning back in Baku, where penitents flagellate themselves. When Otto leaves, he begs her to be faithful, and her promise satisfies him. Gulnar immediately plans a party at the Josévous’s to celebrate his departure, and invites Colonel Nikolai Karpov to spice things up. One of Gulnar’s admirers, Almeria, after drinking heavily, threatens Nikolai with a sword. Another guest, Jérôme de Labusserie, a friend of Murad, watches on, and as Gulnar becomes more flamboyant, Banine feels like an onlooker.

White Emigration in the Wake of the October Revolution

Banine writes about the massive, diverse group of Russians who fled to Paris after the revolution and civil war. These people included Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, Chechens and many others. Nobody knows the exact count, which could be anywhere from 2 to 10 million, because so many people crossed borders unofficially, didn't register, or married quietly. They came from every social class, making dangerous border crossings. After a Soviet decree in 1921 stripped the émigrés of their nationality, the Nansen passport was created in Geneva, where refugees regained legal status and could seek assistance. Many famous names were amongst them: Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Kschessinska and a dozen members of the Tolstoy family. Many of the émigrés were deeply unhappy, pining for their homeland. Musicians like Prokofiev and Rachmaninoff found it hard to compose with their homeland lost. Some refused to return, but also refused to fit in, living in their own bubbles and blaming the locals for their troubles. Banine suggests that the excess of foreigners may have been the tipping point for French hospitality. She notes that Russian men were more likely to marry French women than vice versa. But overall, the majority of Russians preferred to marry Russians. They set up large numbers of schools for their children to create a little Russia, published many newspapers and books, and worked in varied jobs, often for the first time. Hundreds joined the army and were later involved in the Resistance. Banine reflects on how quickly war can tear a society apart, noting that calling the October Revolution a "turning point" really ignores the actual human suffering behind it. While many people found a way to move on, her father never did. She moves on to discuss her own group of emigrants, the Caucasians. Many came from wealthy oil families, like one uncle who spent his entire fortune just so his nephews couldn't touch it. Those nephews struggled because they wouldn't take on manual labour. She even jokes about the Georgians who kept claiming royal titles even though their throne had been gone for years. On the other side, she notes that the Armenians were much better at adapting since they’d already been through so much persecution.

Banine didn't feel like she fit in with the Russians, who held onto a dead past and their homeland. For some reason, the Caucasus didn't mean much to her, and she felt comfortable in the West. She mentions seeing New Year's greetings in a 1970 newspaper from Russian military groups. These people had left Russia 50 years ago, but they were still organised by the old Russian military and social structures. Banine then talks about how Russian émigrés reacted to the German occupation of France. Most stayed neutral, which was the safe bet, while many joined the resistance because they felt they had to defend Russia even abroad, and some sided with France against the Germans. Then there were the collaborators, who either wanted to destroy Bolshevism or saw a way to get rich by working with the German army. These reactions just depended on their own personal situations and character.

The Great Russian Future

The two men in Gulnar's life could not have been more different; Nikolai Karpov was a true white émigré, and Jérôme de Labusserie was a true Frenchman. Nikolai was quintessentially Russian, handsome, stupid and uncultured, whereas Jérôme, her stand in lover, was civilised, delicate and cultured, trying to polish Gulnar into a beautiful creature. Banine's jealousy was enormous, feeling inferior to her cousin. Meanwhile, Nikolai was jealous of Otto. Gulnar asks Jérôme to find Banine a lover, and he introduces them to a distant cousin, a provincial surgeon called Lucien Grandot . She finds him attractive but irritating. He gently tries to seduce her, but his banality nauseates her. Eventually his seductive charm wins her over and she lets him hold her hand one night after having dined alone. At his hotel room, she rejects his advances, telling him she finds him disgusting; she goes to leave, but he takes her to bed. This time she gives in. While she felt pleasure at his touch, she dislikes everything else about him. Grandot invites them to his home in Orléans, and Banine feels a sudden sense of being out of place in France. Grandot repulsed her and brought out the worst in her. She grows more and more depressed as Otto’s arrival looms, and Nikolai becomes increasingly jealous. Gulnar tries to calm Nikolai's jealousy by putting on a more distant attitude towards Otto when he arrives, like her role model, Mathilde de la Mole. This worries Otto, who asks Banine if Gulnar has been cheating on him. She doesn't feel able to tell him the truth. The next day, Nikolai turns up drunk with Jérôme to claim his rights to Gulnar. She tells him to leave and Otto cries because Nikolai is young and handsome and he knows that it is only his money attracting Gulnar. Jérôme advises Gulnar to be more careful when selecting lovers; her time would be better spent working on her cultural education. She takes that advice, cultivating herself for a month, until…

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q3 What do you make of Banine’s attitude towards Grandot? Is she judging herself now for her relationship with him?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I mean, it's not a coup de foudre or anything, but perhaps she needs Grandot to learn to boss him around and take what she wants and leave what she doesn't as a confidence measure after her disastrous early marriage to Jamal? I wish we could see pictures of his house lol

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

I like your interpretation of their relationship as a way to learn after the disaster of Jamal. And yes, his house seems wild!

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Banine seemed to be using Grandot to work things out internally. She gets to release some rage, indulge in some physical passion, and be in control of choosing something - as she told Gulnar, she didn't want anyone to pick for her this time, so she had to reject him first in order to make peace with their relationship going forward. It felt like a half-step towards truly choosing to take a lover or be in a relationship; she could kind of have it both ways with Grandot because he let her lash out and reject him while also choosing to be with him.

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago edited 25d ago

Banine definitely had a lot of conflicting and not very well processed feelings inside of her. From the way she grew up in a culture that hugely valued female chastity, despite the influence of Gulnar; to the way she was forced to marry and have sex with a man who disgusted her. She seemed to have developed a strong aversion for the act as a result, and to still hold those standards very close to her chest—the thought that taking a lover would turn her into a fallen woman, be something to be ashamed of. It is not uncommon for people who feel this way to take refuge in the fantasy of being forced (ex: bodice rippers), in order to reconcile their discomfort, shame and needs. It seemed to me that being able to bully and assiduously dislike him for his "lack of spine" and safe, predictable behavior, is how she was also able to both reassure herself of being in actual control of the situation—and spare, in a small way, her own feelings of shame, as it allowed her to maintain the fiction that she was above him and a recalcitrant partecipant. To keep herself divorced from her own budding sexuality.

Yet at the same time, this also introduced a new type of shame in her, for choosing to be with a man she despised, after all.

She did also have a lot of accumulated rage and grief that she had not been able to express until then. It seemed to me that being able to vent them on him, someone not so dissimilar from her husband when I think about it, turned out to be a twisted attraction of sorts.

She's judging herself a little, but at times I also felt that she rather enjoyed the thought of perhaps being a little shocking...? It's something I also thought while reading Days in the Caucasus.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

I agree with you, I think she did want to be a bit shocking, maybe testing out how it would feel to be a bit more "Gulnar".

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q4 Banine sometimes comes across as more of an observer of life than a participant in it, and seems able to step back from her relationships to analyse what is happening. Why do you think she takes this position - or is it simply the effect of writing her story many years after the events?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think she is a reserved young woman, so we wouldn't have the depth of these memoirs without her being somewhat of an observer. And a writer has to watch more than act!

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Well said! There are several moments where I thought, only a natural writer would observe/react this way. One was when she removed herself from the first night with Grandot by staring at the roses on the carpet and letting that transport her to the past and Baku, before returning herself to the present.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

Excellent point, she has the essential qualities of a great writer.

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

Mmmm. It's very difficult to say without knowing her personally. As you pointed out, she is writing this more than two decades after the fact. And in some way, I do feel that it's often her much older voice we're hearing, looking back and making sense of her own youthful behavior. There's a slight sardonic, nostalgic quality to it. You look at yourself and see all the stupid things you did, ruthlessly pointing them out, distanced as you are—yet also feel compassion and a little tenderness for this so much younger person that used to be you. Or maybe I'm projecting, haha.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q5 Do you ever find yourself taking on the persona of a literary character? Do you think Banine sometimes does this in her own life, adopting a role, and observing herself almost as if she were a character in a novel?

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Interesting question! I do see instances where Banine seems to be acting a part or filling a role. She was sort of raised that way and also entered her first marriage that way. Curiously, she also observes that Gulnar starts to do this by adopting a persona from a novel, so maybe this is how Banine works out her impressions of people, including herself.

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

Just dreaming of interacting with them, haha.

I do feel that at times I need to remind myself that this novel is a memoir. My brain knows it, but I catch myself thinking of some of the situations and people as if they're fictional, occasionally. There's a certain irreverence in the way she writes; but then, I found myself thinking that being able to create this sort of emotional distance between herself and events is probably what also helped her cope with all the tragedy she went through. On top of the fact that she often did not seem to like or be comfortable with herself—so she often appeared to be looking for an escape, a better model to mold herself into. Part of it is also probably just that she was young and trying to find herself this way.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q11 Do you think the organisations giving out New Year greetings in the 1970 newspaper were genuinely alive, or were they just preserving the ghosts of a vanished world?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think it was a haunting of an old world that dissipated only with the death of the original White Russians in exile and their knowledge of that lost world.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

It felt like such a melancholy echo.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

The music being played on the Titanic as she went down came to my mind.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

That's a great comparison!

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

A bit of both. People were displaced during WW2, and still kept trickling out of the Soviet Union after, albeit at a slower rate. The communities and structures already in place provided an existing social and cultural network for newcomers.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q13 We are left on another cliffhanger! What do you think is around the corner for Banine?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

Omg, it was really exciting place to leave this section, wasn't it! I hope it's not Jamil arriving for her lol

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

Your section divisions were perfect - two cliffhangers! I guess we'll have to hear something about Jamil to close off this aspect of her life.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Perfect stopping points both times! (But also I've never been happier that I had to wait for my library hold and then binge-read. )

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

Maybe her divorce will come though? Also, maybe she will be an artist’s model too?

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

Well... I think that something's around the corner for Gulnar, but that may be what will finally prompt Banine to become more proactive? I can't see her living this way with Gulnar for much longer, or putting up with her current relationship with the man who calls her "his little geisha". Otto also appears miserable...

Hopefully we will soon hear news about her divorce..?

Or her husband's death, I suppose. :/

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

That would be one way to resolve the problem.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q1 Banine is remarkably honest about her feelings and relationships. Were you surprised by this candidness?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think it's wonderful how she preserved her memories and feelings as a young woman, which are layered with the sardonic observations of her later, as the writer. It's fascinating how brief this moment was in the light of the war to follow. Also, her tryst with Grandot was laugh out loud for me!

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

It was funny, but then again she was monstrous towards him!

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

I was surprised and impressed that she would lay her experiences out so candidly, but it does fit with her overall style as a writer and I think it added a lot to our understanding of how she struggled to find herself and her place. She is so uncomfortable in her own skin in this section, it is hard to read at times!

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q2 What do we learn about Banine herself through her descriptions of Gulnar?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

Banine has her own values and inhibitions, which I think Gulnar probes constantly. Perhaps she saw that her cousin was lonely and needed affection and really prodded her into this love affair. She's the party girl but while she shines, I think she really does care for Banine even with their different takes on life and love.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

It seemed to me that Banine was revealing how much she wanted to be ready for independence and a more free lifestyle, yet how unprepared she was for it emotionally (and in practical terms). You can feel her immaturity and also her trauma rising to the surface as she describes her cousin. We also learn a lot about Banine's self-image and struggles with self esteem, because she is able to paint Gulnar in a positive or at least confident light while giving herself absolutely no understanding or leeway to have growing pains.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q6 Banine says that the Russian émigré community in Paris was so important that it deserved a doctoral thesis. Why does she feel compelled to document this group of people, and what does she want us to understand about them?

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

It definitely seems like those who left had an important impact on culture and society, so her emphasis on the importance makes sense. I think her desire to document the Russian émigré community speaks to the fact that she feels a kinship to them while also wanting to clarify her people's distinctness from them. The more we understand the different cultural groups and what they went through, the more we will understand her, both from the comparisons and the contrasts.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

she feels a kinship to them while also wanting to clarify her people's distinctness from them.

Yes!

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think there are some parallels to what happened to her and many in Azerbaijan, which is a world died and a new one was born from it, but a different one that encompassed something altogether else. It was the loss of a home country that ceased to exist in any way that was recognizable.

It's interesting that we had another huge migration of people escaping military service /etc during the invasion of Ukraine-maybe close to 1 million have left once again since 2022. It certainly feels like a lot of self-inflicted horror, doesn't it-Russia expelling it's own once more? Of course, I don't see this caliber of immigrants having anything near the cultural impact, although perhaps in the real estate market?

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q7 Why might people who have lived in Paris for decades continue to define themselves through the country they left?

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Perhaps it was because it wasn't just a simple political shift, but their entire way of life was lost. There would be no way to go back and visit, or change their minds about leaving, because what they left no longer existed. The land was there, obviously, but the change was so complete that they must have felt their adherence to the old life was the only way to ensure it was remembered. Sort of like cultural life support!

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think it's a bit too much. How much can you mourn what you can never have again? Of course, you have to take into account Banine is young and has more in front of her than behind. It's easier to start again when you have not that much to lose...the oil fortune was gone already from her. While a lot of these people had rank, property, a serious career, etc. and become practically homeless and destitute on arrival to France.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q8 What did you think about the differing reactions to the German invasion among the Russian emigrants?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

They were like any other group, self-interested and focused on themselves, rather than some historical occurrence.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q9 Why do you think Banine didn’t feel particularly connected to the Caucasus, but rather at ease in the West?

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

In addition to the excellent analysis by u/lazylittlelady I would add that the Caucasus represented for her familial upheaval/separation and then forced marriage, so she likely wanted to dissociate from a place with so many negative emotions surrounding it.

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think her childhood was very Western due to her nanny, and then, Amina's influence. She was ready to go to Paris with them in the first round! Part of it was probably that they were newly wealthy through the grandfather's oil wells rather than some really old family with lots of legacy and duty attached in family lore.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

All great points - I agree! She was raised for this!

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q10 What did you find most surprising about the Russian emigrants?

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

The sheer numbers, and the fact that so many famous and accomplished people were among them and had such a wide cultural reach! It's truly astonishing that (partial) list of names...

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

It's mind boggling! I feel like I need to study this part of French/Russian history, so I'll be searching for some books as well as the one suggested by u/lazylittlelady.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

This evening, I accidentally stumbled on a book called Ten Days That Shook the World by John Reed, which is an firsthand account of the October Revolution by a (biased, by his own admission) journalist present for the events. It sounded interesting! I'd love to read about the aftermath and the resulting emigration as well.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

One to add for future nonfiction nominations

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 24d ago

Ooo that sounds interesting. Added to my TBR, thanks!

China Miéville has also written a nonfiction book called October: The Story of the Russian Revolution, which I've been meaning to read. 👀

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 24d ago

I love his fiction, so it would be cool to check out his nonfiction, too! Thanks!

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I was fascinated about those who decided to stay and those who tried to return, often to very grim fates on arrival. What can drive you to try and negotiate a return to a place you no longer know? It was really fascinating, especially when you have people on all sides, such as Prokofiev, who leaves and then comes back, Rachmaninov who leaves and never returns, and Shostakovich, who never leaves. I highly recommend Julian Barnes' novel, The Noise of Time, about Shostakovich, by the way.

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u/tomesandtea Viceroy of Verity | 🐉🧠 25d ago

Ooh, going on my list! I enjoyed The Sense of an Ending. Thanks for the title recommendation!

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

Ooo let me join in and thank you for the recommendation!

... Maybe we could consider it as a bonus read...? 👀

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

Thanks for the recommendation!

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q12 What does Banine’s fascination with this disappearing émigré world tell us about her own relationship with the past?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago

I think she was a witness to a really tragic event that she felt touched by, even if she found the Russians to be as far from her own tribe of Caucasians, which had much more in common, including historic grievances against this lost empire. It was easy for her to move on in some sense that she didn't see anything holding her to Azerbaijan any longer, but it was also easy to see the tragedy, especially in her own artistic circle of people.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 27d ago

Q14 Favourite moments or quotes? Anything else to discuss?

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u/lazylittlelady Poetry Patron 25d ago edited 20d ago

I liked this quote about the boon of forgetting:

"Our faculty for stowing away is our salvation. It allows us to slough off the past and metamorphose ourselves throughout our lives. Woe to those who do not possess this faculty and live with their eyes fixed on the past, like some émigrés, who are unable to tear their gaze away. My father was one of them-he knew this pain until the last days of his life, which is without doubt a sort of psychological illness" -White Emigration in the Wake of the October Revolution.

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u/Coffee_fuel 📚Bookclub Boffin📚 25d ago

Think of the October Revolution, a cataract that swept away in its torrents of blood an empire, a tsar, the Orthodox Church, privileges, fortunes and castes. The October Revolution is a turning point in history; it is the Great Enemy of some, the Great Hope of others, but in becoming a historical term it has been emptied of its human content. Behind this abstraction disappears the individual destiny formed of blood, flesh and suffering. Fortunately, one might say, since our heart cannot bear the full view of the tragedies that the revolution wrought on the victims on all sides. And that is true of all the great historical catastrophes.

I really liked this one. It's a fortunate and yet very dangerous thing.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | 🎃🧠🥇 25d ago

It's sheer brilliance.