Ilona - We have received a ransom note, we need to hurry because the exchange is scheduled to take place in less than an hour.

Angel - OK, we need a helicopter and an assault squad

Spike - And weapons. MANY, MANY WEAPONS

Ilona - No, No, No, No. You two are adorable, but this is a civilized country, things like this happen every day, someone gets kidnapped, the other pays the ransom, and everyone goes home happy. We already have the cash ready

WE'RE USED TO SEEING ANGEL AND SPIKE AS INVINCIBLE WARRIORS WHO SOLVE PROBLEMS BY FIGHTING, SEEING THEM GO ON A DATE AND PAY A RANSOM WAS A DIFFERENT STORY. THE TWO OF THEM WERE COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT IN ROME, IT WAS HILARIOUS.

I have a retrospective video on Smile Time and Angel. It’s less than 30 minutes. I would really appreciate if anybody wanted to watch it and comment because I feel like I made it for people who are fans. YTC is called Slow Blinks TV. This is a hobby channel, I make no money from it and I only talk about things I am passionate about. There will be no monetary gain if you check it out I just want people who love this show like I do to watch it and have a discussion here or there it doesn’t matter.This isn’t self promotion because I want it to be community discussion and these videos are my artwork.

I'm rewatching as it's on ITV player in the uk

Wow the pilot feels like a commentary on Weinstein/similar!

I forgot what happened and really thought angel was going to drink Tina's blood there. Wasn't that where it was going to go at one point?

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Just saw this last night on a rewatch after 20 years, and as fun as the episode is, and as immense as Boreanaz is as Angelus, I can’t help feeling the premise was very silly.

A drug should not be enough to bring out Angelus’ true homicidal self because unlike Angelus, Angel in this episode still has a soul completely intact so the curse isn’t actually broken at all.

Even high, Angel should not logically become a homicidal maniac again. Now it’s clear the writers wanted to showcase Boreanaz as Angelus, but I think they could have been so much smarter. The drug could have brought up the tormenting, mocking side of Angelus where he threatens murder but holds back because he still has a soul. A sort of Angel/Angelus hybrid. This makes far more sense as we know the demon is still within him and a drug is known to greatly lower inhibitions. The fact that Angel with a soul and centuries of homicidal regret would still consciously resort to being that thing he despises just didn’t add up to me. Immensely fun though…

I'm referring to Happy Anniversary when he teams up with Angel to stop demons from freezing the world in time. I don't think he ever brings it up again. In fact I don't think Angel or any character for that matter ever brings this up again. I wonder if he ever even told anyone about it.

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Doyle may have only been in 9 episodes, but he was such a good character. I know Wesley had one of the best character developments in Angel/Buffy world, but the chemistry was totally different with him there. Obviously. I think Angel and Doyle were better together. They had more heart to heart talks and I think Doyle understood Angel better, being a half demon himself and not knowing where he fits in.

Do you think Doyle gets the love he deserves?

I like to imagine Cordelia and Willow still talk on the phone like when Harmony first showed up. Not really like friends. Mostly just Cordy complaining until she says something that offends Willow so she quickly changes topic and asks about Willow.

Mid to late season 3 Ats

Cordelia: "And when Darla showed up she did not look great. I'm talking total junkie with the ratty hair and sunken eyes. Like eurgh. I know she's a demon but c'mon."

"Oh? Really?"

"Well, uh, how's Tara?"

"Oh..."

I was pondering the other day about Wolfram & Hart and the implications of its existence. Is there a "good" demonic law firm somewhere?

As a mortal law firm it makes sense and there's even some degree of lore that makes demonic deals and contracts make sense, but we see them representing demons where it would be a conflict of interest to represent both sides.

We see Gunn learning "demonic law" etc. So there must be more than one firm dealing with that kind of thing.

And since we know the watchers are great with bureaucracy so surely they have legal representation. Do you think there's a good law firm somewhere?

Not the obvious reason, the magical reason where the unfulfilled magical debt from Angel's trial to give Darla a second chance when she was already on her second chance.

I'm following someone on a first time watch and I think with some subtle clues they could figure it out, and that could be very satisfying for them if it's subtle enough that the connections made feel like their own realization. I dropped the clues before but I need to know which episode is the last chance to bring it up.

Wesley is not exactly my favorite and I get him stabbing Gunn... but still didn't like it LOL.

I know it's probably a weird question but can someone please help me make a list of all the scenes where Angel fight opponents that are armed with firearms?

They don't necesserely have to attenpt to shoot him, people that are armed with guns but that are disarmed or knocked out before they are able to use their weapon still counts such as for example the guy that was about to shoot his wife before Angel disarmed him in S1E3.

The scenes I can remember from the top of my head are Angel saving Cordelia from guards shooting at her in S1E1, Angel saving a woman from her husband when he was about to shoot her in S1E3, Angel beating up 3 thugs that shoot him in S1E12, Angel beating up the detective that threatened him with a gun back in the 50's during S2E2, Angel vs the cop that shoot him in S2E14, Angelus vs Lilah in S4E12, Angelus vs Wesley in S4E14, Angel vs wolfram and hart hit's squad in S5E1 and Angel vs Lindsay's fake wife and kid in S5E17.

I know a comprehensive list may be too much to ask but the more examples you can tell me the better it is and the more grateful I am.

I love Smile Time. Arguably ‘gimmicky’ but it had a legitimate character arc and I love the show’s more experimental episodes. Along with just being hilarious.

Spoilers if anyone hasn't watched it all.

The old ones, jasmine, the beast, illyria, the wolf, the ram and the Hart. How do they measure up to the ones in Sunnydale in your opinion?

It was crazy to me when I first heard of wolfram and hart were once not even low level demons. Now they're a global entity, which we didn't get to see enough of the other offices around the world.

It's also something to me that they worked against The First in that they produced the champions amulet to lilah to give up Angel to give to Buffy for spike to wear that was the only way the sunnydale hellmouth was defeated and closed up. The Ubervamps overwhelmed the slayers and they lost quite a few girls, including Anya who was still a demon and survived a sword stabbing earlier in the season, yet died by a bringer.

While wr&h weren't themselves defeated, their plans were as were their tool, the circle of the black thorn, which one of their own, Lindsey, assisted in that. Now that I think of it, it's disappointing that The First didn't do anything to them for helping the slayers against it.

As powerful as they were, mesektet and ra'tet, they were killed by the beast and that made me wonder as i thought about it. Was the beast always that strong or was he also empowered by jasmine in order to accomplish all that he did? And why didn't the first employ the beast to assist in sunnydale?

I also wished that WR&H gave Buffy and gang more attention and maybe employ some when they hired Angel investigations.

His entire storyline is about wanting to prove he’s more than a disposable lawyer at Wolfram & Hart, only to die because Angel considers him disposable enough to have someone else take him out.

But the whole time, Lindsey is basically a wannabe villain who thinks he’s far more important than he actually is, similar to Warren.

That’s why his death works so well. Lindsey thinks his story has to end with some big final showdown with Angel. Instead, Angel doesn’t even kill him himself. He sends one of his “flunkies” to do it.

And Lindsey’s last words are him being offended by exactly that: “You kill me? A flunky?! ... Angel kills me!”

Perfect ending for Lindsey.