r/Whatcouldgowrong • • 13h ago

WCGW when you power-shift a modified WRX with a stock transmission?

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u/SherlockBonz 13h ago

Buy a new WRX? Sure, why not.

Buy a used WRX? Never. Watch this video and figure every used one has been (mis-)treated this way.

The cost of modding is just so low, and every idiot who owns one mods it then beats it like a rented mule.

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u/Aoiboshi 12h ago

Used ricers are expensive. I don't get it. Yeah, you put expensive shit in your car, but that means it's only worth that much to you. I'm going to end up ripping out your shit mods because I don't know what condition anything is in.

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u/randomman87 8h ago

Despite the mantra "never pay for someone else's mods" there are still Infact a lot of idiots that will pay for someone else's mods

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u/improperdeviance 6h ago

Depends on the mods. If it's stuff I can see, like a lift kit, it's different.

Anything internal though, absolutely not. Especially if they start talking about 'Stage 2' at any point.

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u/randomman87 4h ago

Agreed. There's a lot of upgraded parts you would consider mods that are just improvements over OEM. But the typical ricer mods aren't that.

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u/FarOil2748 5h ago edited 4h ago

Paying 25k euro for somebody elses 500hrs of work and 15k euro in parts seemed like a fair deal to me. Tuner cars resale value is always way less then the money and time invested in them, so if you find a good one prebuilt you can save a lot.

Of course they live a really hard life so its quite risky, but there is a reward at the end of the risk.

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u/Y-Cha 7h ago

I will pay for mods, but it depends on what they are. Decent stuff that is OOP, and can't especially be broken, okay, sure.

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u/airfryerfuntime 12h ago edited 11h ago

it's only worth that much to you.

Except this literally isn't the case, since they retain value so well. You even contradicted your first sentence, lol.

Edit: lol a lot of people don't seem to understand that these cars demand a premium, regardless of how molested they are.

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u/Aoiboshi 12h ago

Those mods that get added on do not increase the value of the car. In fact it is a negative net worth because that motor and frame most likely have been pushed past the structural limits that the car has been tested for.

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u/jlude90 11h ago

You're not really a car guy are you?

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u/Dinohax 7h ago

Reddit hates cars and car culture.

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u/jlude90 6h ago

Clearly, this might be my biggest downvoting for pointing out someone doesn't seem like they're an automotive enthusiast because they made a clearly incorrect statement. Wild. Never change Reddit. I love you all

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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago

Every WRX has mods, and they're still worth a shitload of money.

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u/Aoiboshi 11h ago

A sucker is born every minute

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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago

Yes, and there are a lot of suckers with a lot of money to spend on clapped out WRXs.

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u/HowObvious 12h ago

Someone asking a lot for a heavily modified car isnt same as the value of the car being high.

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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago

And someone getting their ask because every college kid wants a modded WRX is different from what delusional redditors think.

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u/Yakamanesian 11h ago

Copium

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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago

No, it's reality. Go find a cheap modded WRX. I'll wait.

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u/Inglorious186 10h ago

How many of these overpriced cars actually sell though

Anyone can put an unrealistic price on their car, doesn't mean anyone will buy it

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u/darkfuryelf 12h ago

A modified car VERY VERY rarely adds value. Only if it's a professionally done modification with paperwork and proof of work being done by a reputable shop. I worked at an auction lot, we had a VERY VERY modified 2017?? STI come thru on air bags, big turbo, intake, carbon fiber body kit etc. auctioned for $5k because thing was fucking clapped. This was over a year ago so the car wasn't even 9 years old lol.

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u/DaRealGatman 12h ago

Where is that? Here in Greece 5k won't even buy you a 2004 Yaris with 200k km. All those mfs who "know what they have"

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u/darkfuryelf 10h ago

Wisconsin called "Americas auto auction" used to be Midstate auto. Car auctions are not open to public here. Only car dealers so the prices stay low. they only spend what's worth to fix. It's stupid and I saw so many incredibly nice cars less than 5 years old go for 4-5k.

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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago

Bull. Shit.

Unless it was literally a burned out shell, a 2017 STI is not selling for $5k.

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u/melkatron 10h ago

Heavy modifications drastically decrease the pool of potential buyers, and, like this video shows, you can't trust the way people drive their modded cars, especially if it's a stereotypical boy racer car like the STi.

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u/airfryerfuntime 10h ago

$5k though? No. No drivable 2017 STI is ever selling for even remotely that cheap.

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u/darkfuryelf 10h ago

You should really see what cars auction for dude. Clean gallardo got to 57k and didn't sell lol.

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u/airfryerfuntime 10h ago

Totaled STIs don't even sell for that cheap on copart.

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u/DNAisjustneuteredRNA 9h ago

They demand a premium from idiots. That is true.

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u/airfryerfuntime 9h ago

Yes, and there are plenty of idiots who want to buy them.

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u/DaRealGatman 12h ago

Bro about to rip out the forged pistons I added on the 4age blacktop because he hates my mods and they ain't worth shit

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u/JerkyChew 12h ago

That's because you were granny shifting instead of double-clutching like you should. Now me and the doctor gotta tear down the block and replace the piston rings you fried.

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u/melkatron 10h ago

Cheaper to just pull the engine, you can use the ITBs for the BEAMS swap. Why forged? Forced induction, or just changing the compression ratio?

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u/DaRealGatman 10h ago

I don't think the stock ones are strong enough for high boost, so if you want to turbocharge the 4age you have to go with forged. Personally I haven't done it, I saw it from a friend's project.

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u/melkatron 5h ago

Yup. A bluetop can handle mild boost, but when you get into higher compression or higher boost you need forged internals for forced induction. Most people just get a late model 4A-GZE longblock from Japan (higher compression than the MR2's GZE), it's already built for boost and it'll be good for over 200whp. You can even use the stock GZE ECU up to 1 bar without a piggyback.

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u/StaceyTheStaceExplrr 11h ago

oh cool just some casual racism

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u/Aoiboshi 11h ago

I didn't get where I am with casual racism. This was years of ranked. 

Butt seriously, this was the term I grew up with for these cars. And being Japanese myself driving one pf these types of cars up to recently, you have my permission to use that term. 

And by one of these, I don't mean wrx, I used to have an 88 rx7 that was tuned for the local canyons.

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u/PurpletoasterIII 11h ago

Ive always heard the term ricers as well. Never really was sure if it had to do with race or not, it typically never was used to describe race in my experience. Just used to describe cars modified in stupid ways.

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u/iFlyskyguy 8h ago

It's short for "rice cooker" as in an Asian car. It's for sure racist but not anything any Asian I've ever met is tripping about

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u/GodsFavoriteDegen 4h ago

It's short for "rice cooker"

Rice burner.

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u/D_Simmons 8h ago

It is 100% a racist term. No need to sugarcoat it or pretend otherwise.

I don't care if car people use it or whatever as it seems to be part of their culture now but let's call it like it is and not soften our language here.

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u/StaceyTheStaceExplrr 11h ago

You can use whatever words you want (presumably). Free world. I'm just using my freedom to point out when slurs are perpetuated because standing up to prejudice is part of my values.

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u/Ahkwatic 10h ago edited 10h ago

Buddy, ricer is a term in the car enthusiast world for posers who make obnoxious enhancements to their cars for looks. It is not in any way associated with any race, creed, or color.

RICE = Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

Youre either a Racer or a Ricer.

EDIT: It appears I've only ever heard the revisionist version of the term's origin. Leaving this up anyway tho. Thank you to those who corrected me!

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u/TheForgetfulMe 10h ago edited 7h ago

Nah, not even close. Rice has ALWAYS been short for rice (rocket), I.e. a car from Japan. And yes, usually came with some casual racism.

Edit: old brain.

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u/The-King-of-Cartoons 10h ago

I thought it was short for “rice rocket” which definitely had racist connotations as it was what a lot of folks would call all the modified cars that were very popular with the Asian/asian American circles in the area I lived. This was like late 90s though early 2000s when I heard people casually using this term.

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u/TheForgetfulMe 7h ago

You’re right, I’m remembering incorrectly.

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u/The-King-of-Cartoons 7h ago

I mean I’m sure there’s been a lot of variations regionally and dialectically all around the states at least, as many people here have brought up a lot of different roots; you’re good!

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u/IAMA_Stoned_Redditor 10h ago

I was all aboard this thread til this. Ricer is was originally Japanese cars with rice as the original. Don't try to rewrite what it was.

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u/nutsnackk 10h ago

Jesus christ its people like you that stunts progress and growth. And just to be clear when i say something"people" i mean idiots

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u/StaceyTheStaceExplrr 10h ago

Your comment says more about your own character than anything else

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u/rex5k 10h ago

Stating your values makes demonstrating them make you look like a praise and validation seeking hypocrate.

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u/albob 10h ago

It’s about as offensive as calling someone from Wisconsin a cheese head.

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u/Aoiboshi 10h ago

It's really only offensive of you're in the Midwest. No hate for Midwest states like Midwest states have for each other.

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u/Rightintheend 9h ago

Are you from Japan and offended, or do you just have your own sense of being offended for others who aren't offended.

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u/StaceyTheStaceExplrr 7h ago

Yes I am from Japan and it's a term that's been used derogatorily in a historical context to put down and "other" my race

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u/UpperAd5715 9h ago

Ah yes, the well known race of *looks at notes* specific japanese cars used for racing.

Its a pretty fucking common term where most racism (if used) is applied through context, not through the word.

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u/FPPooter 9h ago

Ricer is not a racism term.  It has to do with the type of car and the type of mods put on it. Anyone can drive a ricer. 

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u/Drmlk465 11h ago

Man if you don’t sitcho…

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u/Dangerous_Reporter14 11h ago

Wdym? Do you even know what “ricer” means?

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u/Kimpak 12h ago

Which is a shame because the older ones are much better than the brand new ones. They don't even have STi as an option anymore. At least in my opinion.

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u/real_picklejuice 10h ago

tS is Subaru's current top trim. It's basically LaCroix STI

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u/Welcome-To-NBA-Jam 5h ago

You remember the Chinpokomon episode of South Park where researchers make a focus group where they have the kids watch alternative toys that are trying to be as cool as Chinpokomon, but they hate every single one of them?

This has been Subaru with the WRX every year for the last 4 years, and every year they get a teeny bit closer with teasers but never do it.

"Hey car guys, do you like the WRX STI?"

YEAH!

"Well then you'll love the STI-inspired WRX with the same engine and transmission as the base model, but with Brembos, 19 inch wheels, and a cool badge!"

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u/RobotVo1ce 9h ago

I thought I heard they were bringing back STi's next year.

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u/stalinBballin 10h ago

Them not having STI's as an option is not an opinion. They straight up don't make WRX STI's anymore.

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u/Kimpak 10h ago

Badly written sentence. I had meant that its my opinion that the older STi's look better than brand new WRX's.

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u/stalinBballin 10h ago

Oh yeah, I am not a fan of the new body style on WRX. Looks too much like the Impreza RS.

Also, BRING BACK WRX HATCHBACKS.

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u/Kimpak 10h ago

I would love a return of hot hatches in general!

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u/Direct-Fee4474 8h ago

ugh, i loved those. wagons and hatchbacks are perfect cars for me. i've had like 5 GTIs and golf Rs not out of loyalty and fanboyism so much as limited choice

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u/JerkyChew 12h ago

Yeah I bought a used but "certified" WRX (meaning it was inspected by Subaru and included a warranty) and it would violently pop out of gear in first or second. I brought it to a dealership who - surprise - couldn't find the problem until I took them for a ride around the parking lot to demonstrate, and then they had a 20 minute closed door meeting trying to figure out how to not fix my car. They eventually fixed it under warranty.

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u/PleaseDontEatMyVRAM 10h ago

Damn bro, I'm sorry to say you got an especially shitty dealership then, the subaru dealers near me bend over backwards for their customers. Glad they fixed you up though.

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u/Omnizoom 7h ago

Was going to say my dealership has done wonders to fix any issue on my legacy and has not even charged me for a diagnostic when I think I heard something wrong

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u/Kurfaloid 12h ago

Can confirm. A friend in college would insist I drive his WRX while he was drunk (I was sober) and continually push me to drive it harder and harder. I grew up learning on my dad's Dodge Neon. Gears were ground.

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u/darkfuryelf 12h ago

I got a buddy with a 2025 WRX and he's already dumped like 12k into it. Hes also a fucking idiot who I just reconnected with from college and he wears meta glasses to car shows. Yeah I only hung out with home twice lol.

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u/binzy90 8h ago

So not your buddy then?

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u/Russian-8ias 12h ago

The cost of modding is low??? What kind of job do you have lol? Getting a proper turbo setup done today costs more than a decent used car.

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u/Someguy56731 12h ago

Not really. I have a VB WRX and with the FA24 about $2k in boltons/etune got me a reliable 350awhp on 93.

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u/JPEnjoi 11h ago

They said a “proper turbo setup” not some bolt ons and a JB4 tune

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u/dern_the_hermit 11h ago

I think the first guy was talking about the cost of entry for a half-assed job, not the cost of doing it properly.

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u/Someguy56731 11h ago

You just don’t know how easy the FA24 makes power. Cobb access port and an Dmann etune is only like $1k of it.

Car’s been making that power since 22, 60k miles no issues.

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u/Forgotmypass4 6h ago

Lol at thinking making 350whp reliably for 60k miles is impressive.

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u/beirch 2h ago

He didn't say it was impressive, he said it was cheap.

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u/rafssimmons 9h ago

What kind of job do you have where dropping $2k just on car mods is nothing to you lmao

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u/Welcome-To-NBA-Jam 5h ago

Well to start you first gotta not have kids.

That $24,000/year that would normally go to daycare?

Your car mod is barely 8% of that budget you don't need.

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u/Cheap-Key-6132 10h ago

You’ve never watched Mighty Car Mods then.

We ain’t talking anything proper. We talking looks and sounds. If it actually works properly, that’s a bonus.

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u/Tired-grumpy-Hyper 9h ago

Depends on the 'mods' done, cause if you looked at the 'drift scene' where I live 15-20 years ago it was mostly holes cut into mufflers, shit ripped out of the dash and the back seat removed to 'make the car faster', and then the shittiest stances know to humanity that made the shitvics worse going sideways than what my stock sonoma was able to do.

Add in questionable parts from amazon and "I know a guy"s who own a tig but their welds look like literal rat shit, and yeah cheap mods that do nothing once you look for more than a second.

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u/SmoothDiscussion7763 7h ago

was mostly holes cut into mufflers

or they just didn't bother reattaching shit after sommeone stole their cat

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u/Tired-grumpy-Hyper 6h ago

Ohh no I legitimately mean these guys would cut a big fucking hole into their muffler so it 'sounds better' when they drive..

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u/SmoothDiscussion7763 5h ago

"officer, someone must have stabbed my muffler when i had it parked!"

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u/Oggie_Doggie 9h ago

proper turbo setup

You see, for every "proper" setup that exists, there is another that is just a mishmash of brandless Chinese crap from ebay.

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u/Fozzymandius 9h ago

The car by default can add 80 whp with an exhaust and intake and a tube. That’s $3k if you do the work yourself max.

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u/Deranged40 11h ago

The cost of modding is low???

Yes. Plenty of people sell a half-assed turbo setup for a low cost. Nobody said anything at all about "proper". The cost of doing things right is never low, with any car.

The triangle in cars is: Cheap, Fast, Reliable. You only get to pick two. This video demonstrated choosing Cheap (not getting a transmission that can handle this) and Fast. As with any WRX, it's only fast when it runs.

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u/levinano 11h ago edited 11h ago

Modding is pretty cheap. Modding correctly is expensive. Most people don’t have the money and mod with shit Alibaba parts and no tune, or like in this vid with no knowledge. Maybe run 500whp on a WRX transmission that’s known to blow anywhere near 400, instead of the STI transmission the TY85 that’s rated to 1000+ whp.

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u/Far_Tap_488 9h ago

500whp on a wrx isnt cheap lmfao

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u/levinano 9h ago

Trust me I know I’ve been stuck at 415 for the past 4 years cuz going to 550whp is going to require me to upgrade basically EVERYTHING lol.

My point was that you can hit 500whp for like $6k if you use shit parts and just upgrade the turbo and fueling and absolutely nothing else. To make 500whp reliably with all supporting mods you’re going to want a built block, oil pan, oil cooler, gauges, exhaust parts with custom spring rate external wastegate, etc etc, which can net you 30k+.

So point is, you can hit that power and mod for cheap and make a shit build but you’ll hit it, maybe once or twice lol but you’ll hit it. Modding CORRECTLY is what costs money.

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u/Far_Tap_488 9h ago

Damn 6k being cheap. Guess we live in different worlds.

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u/levinano 8h ago

Compared to 30k yeah.

These things aren’t Mustangs you can make 500whp with just an intake exhaust and a tune lol. They’re lightweight AWD so you sacrifice power. Stock only makes 250whp.

But because of it being lightweight, 550whp is already a 10 second car and can probably do similar lap times as some higher end sports cars so that’s the worth it to some. Straight line power is definitely NOT what you get this platform for lol

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u/Far_Tap_488 8h ago

Its a 3200lb car. Not heavy, but far from lightweight. More middleweight. 550whp is like 700hp crank, which is massive engine work. Could probably buy a mustang for the same cost.

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u/levinano 8h ago edited 7h ago

Yeah 700bhp at 3200-3400 lbs is near Porsche GT3 RS. So being comparable to a $250,000 car with $30-60k while also having AWD and amenities like a trunk and passengers with good legroom. It’s not crazy fast in a straight line but it’s a damn good car.

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u/Far_Tap_488 6h ago

I like em. I have an h6 forester that as soon as I feel like dumping the cash on a sti transmission is going to get a turbo. No e85 here though so probably limited to 400 ish hp.

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u/PleaseDontEatMyVRAM 12h ago

Eh, i bought a used 2020 WRX with the (2018+) FA20 from a Subaru dealer and so far its been the most reliable vehicle Ive owned.
Although, I did buy it from a Subaru dealer I trust and with a warranty...

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 10h ago

That’s only a 6 year old car man… it’s still in its adolescence

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u/Frog_Without_Pond 12h ago

I knew one WRX owner and this is accurate

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u/itoocouldbeanyone 11h ago

I’m so glad I got mine in my 40’s. No desire to mod and thankfully outgrown my idiotic driving as a young adult.

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u/SherlockBonz 10h ago

I'm 58, with an Outback XT. The WRX hatchback is coming back in 2027 (with a heavy duty transmission) and I keep telling myself I don't need that, but I still might have to look.

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u/itoocouldbeanyone 10h ago

Oh snap! I might test drive one, but I definitely cannot afford a new one. Hoping to ride my '23 for 10+ years since it's low mileage and I rarely drive spirited.

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u/SherlockBonz 9h ago

Yep, scheduled to hit Japan market in 2027, US/Europe some time after that. Even bringing back the STi.

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u/AnalbolicHazelnut 8h ago

I felt younger just by reading that. Good ol’ 2.5l boxer turbo 300hp?

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u/Practical-Suit-6798 12h ago

And their transmission has always been a weak point. They just can't handle that much power.

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u/NickGallangster 10h ago

Got a used 2019 STi, and while I was quite concerned with previous owners, it’s totally stock. Didn’t even have an AOS before I added it. Love this car, but also treat it like a 90s Buick.

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u/Fozzymandius 9h ago

My 07 is pretty similar. I really should add an AOS.

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u/ppndl 10h ago

While I'm not claiming to NOT be an idiot, I have owned and driven the same WRX since getting it new in 2003. I have never mistreated her, I have put zero mods on her, and I take very good care of her - regular maintenance, etc. Hyperbole much?

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u/tonysopranosalive 12h ago

2013 WRX, bought in 2016 with 36k on it. Bone stock baby.

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u/mattenthehat 11h ago

Idk, I bought one and it's had no sign of issues for the first 2 years so far. It was completely stock, though.

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u/Ar3s701 11h ago

The trick is to find one that is bone stock.

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u/Leaky_Asshole 10h ago

There is always a risk here, especially when getting "certified per-owned" from the dealer as they will always return it to stock. Ages ago I got a certified pre-owned S2000 from Honda, only 25K miles on it. Later on in my tinkering I found a bunch of zip-ties deep in engine bay that told me that my bone-stock S2000 did not live its early life as bone-stock.

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u/flipster14191 11h ago

Buy a new WRX? Sure, why not.

Because they are fairly expensive now?

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u/aerdvarkk 10h ago

Wait, we're not supposed to beat rented mules?

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u/This-is-Actual 10h ago

I have a 2019 that’s bone stock.
My buddy bought his in 2020 and agreed it wasn’t worth dumping money into mods… that lasted 6 months. I barely recognize his car as a WRX anymore. If you can buy a mod for it, he has.

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u/mflft 10h ago

Its like insuring an S class benz

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u/EmergencyTaco 10h ago

This is good to know because I'm in the market for a WRX right now.

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u/sheebzus0 10h ago

Same thing with GTIs

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u/Socialeprechaun 9h ago

How it feels trying to find a Nissan 240SX that isn’t completely fucked by dumbasses 🥀🥀

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u/aquatone61 9h ago

GTI’s are the same way.

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u/jet1392 8h ago

You can definitely buy a used WRX that won't break if you know how to read a Carfax and inspect cars. I successfully drove over 60k on a used one that I bought stock and tuned to over 350whp. Never broke anything, car was totaled when some idiot pulled out in front of me, and I bought the car back from insurance and sold the drivetrain to a buddy who swapped it and tuned it again in a GC coupe thats put even more miles on it. And its a stock block and trans. Car pulls like a monster and the gears are crispy and silent to this day. Gotta be 120k on them now. The difference is I did all of the maintenance at the appropriate intervals and didn't abuse it. I didn't slap bolt ons on it without tuning it. I knew the car was a gem when I bought it because I saw that it was a one owner car on Carfax, and got the previous owners info from the dealer. Ended up being a 70 year old man. Smelled like cigars. May never have floored it once. They are out there but you have to know what to look for and how to spot all the rest on your own. These cars all really boil down to experience

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u/hopenoonefindsthis 8h ago

Yep. I absolutely love WRX STI but I’m not risky it because of stuff like this.

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u/Free_Range_Gamer 8h ago

The longer the list of mods, the lower value the car.

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u/CliplessOne 7h ago

I sold a 2012 wrx hatch that was in great shape and all original. Owned if from the beginning and the new owner has still be driving it trouble free. They are out there but they are unicorns.

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u/P_weezey951 6h ago

Many years ago i wanted a Focus ST, but couldnt afford one new, and i refused to buy one used because i dont trust people to not treat em like shit.

If i get a sporty car, id prefer it new... or purchased with the idea that ill be rebuilding it at some point.

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u/foryoutoknow 5h ago

I mean, yeah sure I get it. On the other hand I’ve owned two 2004 WRXs that were used. They served me just fine, no transmission issues. No issues of any real kind honestly. I kept up on basic maintenance and didn’t drive like a dipshit. 

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u/Modokon 11h ago edited 11h ago

Jesus, WRX can fall apart if you look at them wrong. Need a lightweight reliable Japanese piss-missile to launch 0-60mph in 3 seconds and 0-100mph in 6? I have the answer... MT09.

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u/Kareemofwheet 9h ago

I have both a 2014 fz09 and a modded 2016 WRX at about 320hp with expensive bolt ones. It's a great car honestly but holy fuck, I'm at about 120hp in my FZ09 is an absolute MONSTER of a bike. I've had it for almost 10 years, beat the piss out of it but maintened it pretty well. Ain't worth 5K so I'll probably keep it until I die or it kills me 😂

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u/PaisleyLeopard 10h ago

My husband is a Subaru Master Tech, and he concurs. He won’t even work on modded rexes anymore, he makes the owners buy OEM parts so he can put them back to stock. He sends the modders and thread boys down the road, they’re not worth the hassle to him.