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Can't believe it's been a year since posting, but here we are, reposting to open up the comments again now it's been archived. I meant to rewrite it to be less angry before reposting but haven't had time.

2 things to get off my chest that eat at me most days I come to clear the modque. This is not a post to try and reinstate the rules, it is just some explaining.

edit 1: Apologies for getting heated in the comments of this one, this post is the outlet for the festering rage that increases every time I read about someone being scammed or claiming CBD flower is legal. I'm normally pretty chill, I promise x

edit 2: Adding some Q&A from the comments into the main body. Some of them I've included because they are good points that are a good idea to add, others are to stop others asking the same question.

edit 3: you guys who previously thought CBD flower was legal, and have now changed your stance and agree with what I'm saying, you guys are the real MVPs. Whether you commented or not, you're the real homies fr.

Don't buy drugs on reddit, or on the clearnet.

On average, we hear of one person on this sub being scammed by another redditor (and sometimes a clearnet site) every 2 days. I'd hazard a guess and say most people don't message us about being scammed out of embarrassment (in hindsight). That's a lot of money being wasted, money that (given our average age) we really can't afford to just piss away.

You know it genuinely makes us upset when we see someone scammed for a couple hundred quid. Not because it breaks the rules, not because the sub is at risk, but because someone has lost money they worked for and they are also encouraging the scammer to keep scamming.

So, this is me saying just don't fucking do it. Business conducted without connection to the sub is irrelevant to us, and this post isn't to protect the sub or us. If someone is here vending through PMs there is a 99.99% chance they are a scammer.

Imagine, right, you've got 10LBs of grass in 20 different strains in 3 different forms. You clearly have money through previous sales, and you're set to vend.

Do you, a, frantically PM people through reddit asking you to buy through Wickr. Or, b, setup shop on a market and continue to build rep.

Also, everyone who says they have a firrrrrrrre link (flame emoji x 10) who deals through Wickr you should message they are also a scammer. You will loose your money and your dignity. They will also have your address that you will more than likely be blackmailed with shortly after (which is also a common occurrence).

Every person who's been scammed messages us the same way 'I know it's stupid and I know it was obvious they are a scammer but u/WorthlessPieceOfShit scammed me and here's proof.'.

Hindsight is a bitch, so get some fuckin forsight and don't be a moron.

Also, clearnet websites, don't even touch 'em.

Instagram is like wading through a pool of shit to find a gold plated coin. Yeah the coin is there, but it is neither worth the trouble or time. It can be alluring to those who can't be arsed with learning to use the markets because of how easy it is, and then after the fact will justify why Instagram is better than any other alternative.

Not only that, think of your OPSEC for gods sake.

For those of you who struggle to keep your singular brain cell company who will still go on to piss money into the wind, if you contact us with proof that you have been scammed, there is no repercussion. Don't be afraid, we will only judge you in private ;).

Reddit Plug Comment Q&A

Q) So is there no way of finding a dealer on reddit?

A) Wherever you look, you will always be able to find a source. If you attend your local female only 60+ chrrurch group for long enough you will find a lovely old lady who knows a guy who knows a guy who comes through. All I'm saying is that, as an amateur, you will miss the obvious warning signs of a scammer and with no way to verify legitimacy of a reddit plug (other than PGP) you will fall victim. I say amateur, because those who know what they are doing don't buy through a damn social media platform, unless they know them personally or have an exceptional circumstance.

Q) So where do I find a plug online? You all talk of doing it but don't let up. or What market?

A) Right, this isn't the place for this sort of question, and truth be told there isn't a reliable single outlet for it any more. However, the one and the only search term you need is DNM. With this single acronym, you have the full capacity to go out and research every single aspect of ordering safely online. Where to go, who to buy from, how to keep yourself safe. It's all out there and very easy to do/find. Like seriously. Just do the research, learn the shit, learn how to use bitcoin and tumblers, learn how to use PGP, learn it all (like we all had to) and you'll be up and running in no time.

If you can't work it out, then you really should stick to street dealers. I don't say that patronisingly, I mean that if you can't work it out from there on your own, you will end up getting scammed or getting caught.

CBD Buds Are Illegal

Update: in another one of the usual shite and misleading responses to a petition our favourite home office shed some light on CBD products, too, and it's even more stupid than we thought:

In relation to industrial hemp, the Government has no intention of amending this policy. The Government operates a robust and risk-based licensing system to enable the cultivation of low THC cannabis (industrial hemp) from the non-controlled parts of the cannabis plant (i.e. seeds and fibre/mature stalk). Our policy enables the production of hemp fibre for industrial purposes or the obtaining of seeds which are then pressed for their oil. The cultivation of cannabis plants must be from approved seed types with a THC content not exceeding 0.2%. The ‘0.2%’ reference is used solely to identify varieties which may potentially be cultivated, within the scope of this policy. The current policy is in place to prevent misuse and diversion of the controlled parts of the cannabis plant, and currently, there is a large number of companies successfully operating under this industrial hemp policy.

Home Office

To be honest this contradicts some of the laws quoted below, so it should be taken with a teaspoon of salt, but even so.

End of update

No, it isn't a grey area. NO, CLEAR don't always get it right. Yes, you can get nicked for it. Yes, it is illegal.

Here is a link to the law in question. There are no 2 ways about it, CBD buds are not legal.

Here is another supporting sheet, and whilst it is produced by the government, it doesn't serve as a legal document, moreso advice, so take that with a pinch of salt.

Home Office policy provides that licences may be issued for the cultivation of cannabis plants with a low tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content for the production of hemp fibre for industrial purposes or the obtaining of seeds which are then pressed for their oil. For both of these uses, licences are granted to enable the use of non-controlled parts of the plant (i.e. seeds and fibre/ mature stalk only). This policy is only applicable where non-controlled parts of the plant are used.

There needs to be a defined commercial end use and the Home Office only issues licences for cultivation of plants from approved seed types with a THC content not exceeding 0.2%. The ‘0.2%’ reference is used solely to identify varieties which may potentially be cultivated, within the scope of this policy, and to differentiate between the fee level is applicable under the Misuse of Drugs (Fees) Regulations 2010. The Hemp (Third Country Imports) Regulations 2002 also require, except in specified circumstances, that hemp from ‘third countries’ be imported under a licence an

Oil, tea, handbags and shampoo can be made from industrial hemp, and the plant that they were made from may contain low levels of THC and contain CBD as long as they are produced by licensed peoples.

Flower, however, is not legal under any circumstance. Theoretically, completely THC and THC-V free flower would be un controlled (legal). But that is impossible by current standards, and doesn't exist (yet). Every CBD heavy plant has atleast trace THC(-V). The bulshit 0.2% rule that ill-informed people and love toting is nothing more than the number that allows a company to grow that plant under license, and for that plant to be grown for industrial use. Nothing else.

Feel free to also brows 2001s misuse of drugs act in which you find nothing contradictory of the above.

So please, for the love of god, stop hounding us and eachother over whether it is legal and why you think it is.

If you can provide me with proof of the contrary, I'd love to see it, and would happily change my stance.

CBD Flower Isn't Legal Comment Q&A

Q) What do you make of this?

Specifically "The law states products ‘derived from’ industrial hemp can be exempt from the MODA if they have been ‘processed’ and contain less than 1mg of THC or CBN."

I always thought that was the loophole or grey area, that it is considered a processed hemp product by way of drying, curing and trimming, but I've not spent all that long looking into it and I'm not at all qualified to comment, I'm certainly not a legal professional.

A) Interesting point, and an article I hadn’t seen before.

Here is the government fact sheet they are referring to, in which it states:

'An “exempt product” means a preparation or other product consisting of one or more component parts, any of which contains a controlled drug, where—

a) the preparation or other product is not designed for administration of the controlled drug to a human being or animal;

b) the controlled drug in any component part is packaged in such a form, or in combination with other active or inert substances in such a manner, that it cannot be recovered by readily applicable means or in a yield which constitutes a risk to health

c) no one component part of the product or preparation contains more than one milligram of the controlled drug or one microgram in the case of lysergide or any other N-alkyl derivative of lysergamide.'

Do you mean to tell me that they prepare the CBD buds half a gram at a time? Not a chance. So that breaks rule b. So CBD if prepared in a quantity above half a gram (at any point if it was in contact with more than half a gram) , even if it is broken down into grams to sell). There will not be a single place that picks half a gram at a time, prepares it and then packages it in half gram quantities only. Thus, still illegal.

And the products are advertised and meant for human consumption. So, still controlled under the laws i originally stated.

Q) But it's legal under EU law, which we abide by, so that's where the grey area is isn't it?

A) CBD flower isn't legal according to the EMCDDA, in fact they don't even distinguish it from high THC weed as far as legality.

The only time Cannabis is Legal under EU law is if prescribed medically, be it THC or CBD strong. Even further, they only allow four brands of either to be prescribed: sativex, marinol, cesamet and bedrocan two of which are fuckin synthetic.

Are you saying that the legality of regular weed is a grey area because is can be prescribed medically by the EU? No. Are you saying that because the EU allow it to be medically prescribed you can appeal in court? I should hope not.

Further than that, the EMCDDA just set out the guidelines, i.e. if the country sees fit they can decide their own drug laws (such as in the case of CBD flower being legal in France and Italy, yet illegal in the UK).

Source 1 , Source 2 straight from the horses mouth.

Q) But it's sold in headshops, so it isn't your fault if you get caught is it?

A) This just isn't true, I don't know how else to put it. Less you show me the 'if I didn't know it was illegal, it's not illegal law lol'.

Just as a side note, why do you think Holland and Barret don't sell the flower, and only sell the oil eh? Cmon now use your noggin. Quite a few CBD shops have been raided too, so the fact that they exist isn't testament to legality in any way.

If you're local corner shop sold ketamine in its sherbert packets, and you knew what you were buying, and it says ketamine on the reciept, you're still getting nicked for having ket on you regardless of whether you can produce a reciept to say you bought it at a shop. Just because the shop gets nicked, doesn't mean you don't.

Sorry For The Rant

Now that these two things are very clear, I can stop getting twisted over people getting scammed and just laugh as the information is here and clear, and I can link this post whenever CBD is being debated.

The majority of you guys are sound, like really sound, and I know most of us would kick it if we met, so don't take it personally. Those who this is aimed at will know lol.

Just a brief PSA to say to ignore any direct messages you get from users promoting vendors or promising drugs. These are mostly bots and handing over information or money will result in you being scammed, no matter how legit or convincing they seem.

Unfortunately we can't do much about them as they technically operate outside the sub. When you get these messages, just use the report function and report directly to Reddit. If you'd like to limit or completely stop random users from DMing you, go into your account settings, then 'Chat and messaging permissions'. There you can block all DMs, or limit to accounts older than 30 days. Not a perfect solution, but it helps.

Stay safe, and happy toking!