(Hated)changing somenthing to be more "progressive" ends up being a bad thing

[u/Morr4Seiya]

Now to be clear,i am not one of these "anti-woke" losers that complain some people exist,and i am also not the type to complain about changing somenthing in a new version or adaptation,however there are cases where it did ended up being a bad idea.

-In the anime of Cowboy Bebop there is the character Gren,despite being short lived the character is very memorable specially thanks to his tragic story.Basically his story was that he was a soldier from the titan war who was a great friend with Vicious(the main bad guy)after the war he was emprisioned thanks to Vicious who testified against him and he was forced to take a experimental drug that caused him hormonal problems,giving him a feminine appearence and even breasts.

In the Netflix live action,for some reasons they decided Gren was going to be non-binary,which wouldn't be a problem(some people believe he was gay in the anime)if it wasn't for the fact that they also removed all the nuances and complexities that made the character memorable and interesting,instead of a tragic war veteran that was betrayed and had his body changed against his will,Gren is just kinda there.

-The original Rugrats cartoon had the couple Betty and Howard,Betty was a big and masculine woman while Howard was a smaller and nervous man,it was a genuine interesting relationship that stood out from the other couples who were the standard straight couple.

In the new series however they replaced Howard with a woman named Trish,two things,first off why?What was the problem with having a woman being the stronger in a straight relationship?Second why does Hollywood seem to think that every tomboy or masculine woman is a lesbian?

Overall not the worst thing but it is jarring that they had a gender reverse roled that was progressive and decided that wasn't enough.

-Oh man,this one pisses me off the most so i am gonna have to break it down

So back in the late 80s and 90s there was this anime called Saint Seiya also knows as Knights of the zodiac,it tells the story of knights who fight for the Goddess Athena to protect earth,being divided in the golden,silver and bronze knights,the anime was a huge hit in latin america and Europe and while it floped in the US it still has a loyal fanbase.

Being a fan myself i can't recommend it enough,now granted the story does have a fair share of flaws,and that's because the author was honestly just making stuff up as he went along(also a lot of side characters are poorly used or even forgotten about)still it is a great story you should check out

But then a couple of years back Netflix got the rights and decided to a 3D reboot,in this reboot they decided to make the story more "american" to try to bring more american viewers,now i could go on and on a big rant about how that was a bad idea and the execution was so terrible that it made me want to strangle someone but this post is about one specific change.

So Saint Seiya has five main characters,those are Pegasus Seiya,Dragon Shiryu,Cygnus Hyoga,Phoenix Ikki and finally Andromeda Shun.

While the other four characters were the standard masculine and brute male characters who were always ready to throw punches,Shun was smaller,more sensitive and even feminine looking,a pacifist who didn't liked fighting,but don't mistake that for weakness because Shun was loyal to his friends and was extremely powerful.

Then Netflix decided to change Shun into a girl named Shaun.

So wait,you have a male character who goes against every male stereotype and you turn him into just another generic female character?

When asked about it,the showrunner Eugene Son said he made that change because there was no girl in the group and having a all boys group wouldn't be acceptable nowadays

First off that's not true because Athena was also part of the main cast,yeah she wasn't the fighting type but she still helped quite a lot in the story even saving the knights on several occasions,second if you wanted to add a girl to the main group why not use Marin or Shaina?Hell,if you were going to change the story anyway why not turn Seiya sister into a knight?

Thankfully this monstrosity was cancelled(so much for trying to bring more fans)

[u/mangothe2nd]

The fuck?? This how i found out Shun was never a girl? I had a crush on him when i was a kid. His design was so pretty. And i remember he was dubbed by a woman in my country. Now, i just checked google, and he is a man this entire time lmaooo

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in the manga, only men can be knigths. The women soldiers wear mask if I remember correctly

So this make the changes stupider

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My brother started watching the original Saint Seiya anime for the first time, and about a month ago, we rewatched the Legend of the Sanctuary movie out of curiosity. After the fight between Pegasus and Taurus, I remarked on how cool his combat mask was, almost like a "bronze face" (literally), but my brother complained that it made no sense, since only female Saints wear face masks. Ironically, though, Scorpio is female in that same movie but doesn't wear a face mask, instead she wears an helmet like the rest of the Golden Knights.

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I think there is another manga with girl knights bit I haven't read it (it is saint seiya sainta sho according to wikipedia)

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The fact that his armor had breasts didn't help

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to be fair his amor is very much based on the constellation of a princess,

the funny part is, that Ikki was the one that was supose to take that armor.

Shun was supose to take the Phoenix Armor, but Ikki finds out the Island was too dangerous so he takes Shun place leading to the two basically trading armors

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Congratulations on coming out!

(In all seriousness, you are not the first and won’t be the last to think Shun was a girl)

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Shun had the same impact on me as a kid that Lady Oscar did, turns out it was anime that turned me trans

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There are reasons "She's a man in Japan" is a trope.

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It reminds me of Pisces Aphrodite (also voiced by a woman who doesn't change her voice in my country): I thought something like, "Ah, she has the name of the goddess of love, makes sense since she's beautiful," and then I remembered that the warrior women wear masks in the show. The little mythology-obsessed nerd kid that I was came to the conclusion "he's a guy, he should be called Apollo" and moved on.

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What happens at the Libra House STAYS at the Libra House

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xddddd

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Just wait until I tell you about Frieza and Shuichi Minamino.

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im here with you, i dint know he was a man, untill way way later xdwhen the adaptation