(Hated trope) Remember all these stories and characters we followed for so long? Welp now it’s all reset.

[u/FullBrother9300]

1: using another flashpoint to create the tomorrowverse (Justice League Dark: Apokolips war) after 80-90% of the cast is killed off and billions lives are fated to die Flash and Constantine hatch up a plan to kill baby Darkseid to prevent the entire story from happening which just leads to an entirely different universe being formed and even erasing some characters from existence.

2: Jim travelling to the beginning (Tales of Arcadia series) after multiple characters die including Toby Jim uses a magic gem to travel back to the very first episode but instead lets Toby find the amulet… this changes things how?

[u/Ghost_Star326]

Because now Denji no longer has to be chainsaw man.

As Pochita puts it, Denji's life from the start was so shit that there was no saving it. He's too accustomed to being treated like trash, that even after he got his freedom as Chainsaw man, he could dream of better things or even mature. And Denji was constantly being hunted down by many people.

So Pochita thought that the best solution is for Denji to lead a dull life instead. He merely got lucky with Power saving him through a butterfly effect. Not to mention that Makima is replaced by Nayuta, he doesn't have to deal with her again.

[u/ahilltodieon12 → u/Ghost_Star326]

Except this nayuta is the exact same as makima because she was raised by the govt to control the special division, so nothing improved and they'll all prob die

[u/Canai97 → u/ahilltodieon12]

From what I understood, Chainsaw Man AKA Pochita before meeting Denji was already known and hunted by the government. His existence and powers motivated them to seek out greater power like the Control Devil's. And thus, leading her to be captured and raised in a controlled and lonely environment, which leads to her becoming Makima. Now, without Pochita, the government weren't pressured to seek out greater power. So now the Control Devil, who still got captured but wasn't raised to be a countermeasure for Pochita, turned into Nayuta.

What I'm still scratching my head over is, if this assumption is correct, why is she a kid in this different timeline?

[u/Eskimobill1919 → u/ahilltodieon12]

But there’s no chainsaw man, the main thing driving Makima to fuck over the world. At worst, Nayuta becomes a dictator.

[u/Toxiclam → u/Eskimobill1919]

Still pretty bad

[u/Eskimobill1919 → u/Toxiclam]

But not for Denji

[u/fake_user_34 → u/Eskimobill1919]

That we know of. He still lives in a fucked up world but powerless now. He will be an easier victim.

Reminds me of the Phantom Liberty ending of Cyberpunk. Yeah, V lives, but they are so powerless that they become a target for everyone else. I wouldn't call that living so much.

[u/Eskimobill1919 → u/fake_user_34]

He’s not powerless, he’s got a contract with Power, and there’s no target on his back inviting the actual dangers to go after him.

[u/fake_user_34 → u/Eskimobill1919]

Mate, innocents die all the time in the story. He isn't safer.

[u/Eskimobill1919 → u/fake_user_34]

He is safer, no one’s targeting him because he’s chainsaw man, and he was already a prettt decent devil hunter with just Pochita. Now he’s got Power by his side.

Sure, he’s not completely safe and still working a dangerous job, but he’s still living better than before. Plus, so long as devils are around, no one is safe, so he’s no worse than any other civilian.

[u/Wisterosa → u/Eskimobill1919]

for all you know, the next day after the final chapter, he gets assigned to a devil beyond his fighting skill and get murked

also, the story just completely ignored all the other dangerous shit erased by pochita in the past which now should exist, like "The star that drive children crazy" or "the ends of life worse than death"

[u/satans_cookiemallet → u/ahilltodieon12]

The thing is, I dont wanna defend it, Nayuta is already different for....

Some reason.

Makima was cold and indifferent because of her being raised by the government. Meanwhile Nayuta is different persoanlity wise in the new timeline because....she was raised by thr government? Iunno

[u/New_dude_bro → u/satans_cookiemallet]

Raised by the government for a different purpose I guess? One as a leader, one as a living weapon?

[u/WinterAd825 → u/ahilltodieon12]

Ehh, a big part of the story is that the mere existence of the Pochita pushed both devils and the government into an arms race.

Without the threat of non existence hanging over everything everyone is generally more chill