r/Marvel • u/tehawesomedragon Loki • 1d ago
Film/Television VISIONQUEST - EPISODE 1 & 2 PREMIERE DISCUSSION
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u/CaliforniaBoundX 1d ago
J.A.R.V.I.S. 😢 🥀
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u/Jules-Car3499 1d ago
Yeah… he was a good guy.
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u/Extension_Breath1407 1d ago
How ironic that Jarvis nearly died from Ultron attacking him.
Only for Jarvis to die for real after saving Ultron and everyone else.
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u/FilthyCasual2k17 23h ago
Every episode one of the AIs will die/sacrifice themselves, and Ultron will gloat and grow stronger, and when he is finally strong enough to take over, he will turn around and sacrifice himself in the same way as Jarvis did to save Vision.
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u/onlivethedead 22h ago edited 22h ago
The AI's will die and will help the new Vision let go of trying to hold himself up to the old Vision and think for himself, Jocasta will be the one who ordered Paladin to kill Vision, but Ultron would've been the one to edit the AI of Jocasta during Age of Ultron in the background and she fell in love with him or was edited to be in love with him as he tried to understand human emotion, She goes to hunt down Vision in revenge for thinking he killed him.
Paladin had Adamantium Bullets and that means Jocasta potentially knows where a cache of Adamantium is, so Jocasta built herself an Adamantium body like Ultron did in his Movie, Ultron himself is confused himself until eventually he'll realise Jocasta came back for him, where he'll try slip back into the net amongst the chaos to rejoin her and rebuild his own body.
The final fight will be either Vision convincing Jocasta that Ultron's way isn't right or it'll just be Jocasta and Ultron vs Vision, Vision will win and realise he doesn't have to be the old vision, he has to be his own vision and become his own hero without cowering behind his past selfs history.
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u/holayeahyeah 17h ago
James Spader would absolutely kill it in a scene where it turns out Jocasta did all of this because she is in love with him and he's just not that into her.
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u/FilthyCasual2k17 22h ago
That's more/less how I see it going, but I think we may be getting good-ish Jocasta by the end? Maybe Ultron's sacrifice is what makes that happen?
I would be disappointed, but not too surprised if they went with Ultron was bad all along, and has no redeeming qualities. Maybe we have old Ultron vs new Ultron similar to how we had 2 visions at the end of Wanda, or maybe as you say Jocasta takes that role.
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u/onlivethedead 22h ago
Ultron is usually fully aware he is indeed an asshole and only cares about his goals and self preservation, like in age of ultron his main strategy was to create an entire army of just himself so no matter what there would always be a copy until Vision burnt him out.
He's also an incredibly great manipulator, he's trying to goad Vision into getting into this whole scenario because he knows it'll bring Vision to his weakest and give him the chance to escape amongst it all, like how they had to lower their security inside Vision for Ultron.
Eventually we're going to get to a point where Vision has to connect to the net to stop Jocasta, Ultron is going to offer to help and he's going to convince Vision that he only wants to help him stop Jocasta, Vision will oblige and Ultron will turn heel and join her instead, but Vision will probably convince her by the end too.
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u/AVR350 19h ago
Kinda like how Agatha All Along, like by the end all of the coven died
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u/FilthyCasual2k17 17h ago
Exactly, I think it really reflects well into the theme of twins, and how even though they are each distinct on their own, their journey kinda ends up being the same. On one side witches died, on the other AIs.
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u/Cyke101 3h ago edited 2h ago
I can't say I'm ever a fan of a senior character among a mostly new cast ever dying early.
Plus, James D'Arcy having the distinction of being the first Marvel Television actor reprisal to make the jump to an MCU movie/Marvel Studios TV show had me rooting for him since the show was first announced.
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u/ergattonero 23h ago
They made Tommy and Billy such compelling characters that I'm really happy to be here for the ride.
The actor playing Tommy is very good, very charming and I think he will have a long career ahead of him.
Two very good episode, all the characters work, even Paladin, Lisa and the MCU version of Philomena Cunk.
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u/jmarquiso 15h ago
It's interesting that Tommy's personality mirrors Vision in this show, and comics Tommy mirrors Pietro as he is an echo of Quicksilver. I also like they cast someone who looks so much like Bettany.
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u/ergattonero 12h ago
Yep, very interesting.
Some of the nuances get lost in the transition to the MCU (as in how Billy Goody-Two-Shoes mirrors the first classical Avengers team, while ex-criminal Tommy mirrors the second incarnation of the team with Hawkeye/Wanda/Pietro), but at the same time the writers have been able to create a backstory for them that works way better than their comics counterpart.
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u/jmarquiso 12h ago
It should be noted Young Avengers did begin as a reflection of the original Avengers, and by the time they added Tommy, it got closer to the second incarnation as you said.
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u/drkristymoney_ 8h ago
Do you know who Jarvis and Vision were referring to in the painting, as the "first of us" who let his emotions get the best of him, with all that fire and destruction? Didn't seem to be Ultron because he came after Jarvis...
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u/halk-kar 3h ago
I believe that was the original Human Torch. In the comics Ultron used the Torch’s body to create the Vision.
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u/dragn99 12h ago
I guess because Billy's 'reincarnation' just happened accidentally as a result of his own powers, it's different from Tommy's, who was done later and more intentionally. Because Billy seemed to only remember his own life, nothing of the kid he took over. And Tommy/Thomas is definitely more Thomas getting hit with visions (hah) of some second life that got added on top.
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u/YnieWho 11h ago
It should also be considered that Billy reincarnated into a kid who just suffered a head trauma so it's possible the memories are there, he just actually has an amnesia.
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u/Potterless12 8h ago
My takeaway from it (and I could be completely wrong) is that the person Billy took over actually died in that car accident. But the person Tommy took over ended up not dying.
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u/Disastrous_Key_9247 16h ago
Totally, it’s almost as if Agatha All Along and WandaVision are sneaky origin stories for Billy and Tommy. Loving it
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 12h ago
Tommy in the show is already way more compelling and interesting than Tommy in the comics.
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u/1905G1_M 9h ago
I think comics Tommy has compelling enough foundations (the abandonment issues and family problems, trauma from the facility, etc), the comics are just never bothered to explore them or give him screen time at all lol
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u/Commercial_Desk_6215 15h ago
This. Its crazy how effective each of the characters are, given the show is about Vision and Speed, two of the most unpopular characters in their respective team-ups
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u/simon3873 1d ago
Philomena Cunk was not on my VisionQuest bingo card. I didn't realise Diane Morgan was in this and I am struggling to take her seriously without her dropping a, “Are we looking at the computers, or are the computers looking at us? The answer to that question is obvious. But it sounds spooky." Until I hear a ridiculous Cunk quote like this, this show is unwatchable.
/s but should be obvious...
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u/onlivethedead 22h ago
1000% as soon as I saw Diane I could not see her as anything other than Cunk, I'm just going to assume Cunk herself is doing a new documentary on the history of contract killing and is getting stuck in herself for her show.
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u/Fickle-Ad-7124 7h ago
I was waiting for Diane Morgan to look at the camera and deadpan “commercial assasinations become popular around the turn of the century…”
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u/Come-jive-with-me 18h ago
I need her to be the final big bad in the most convoluted way possible.
Although we know that's probably gonna be Jocasta. But wouldnt it be nice if Diane play one of her AI self.
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u/Ndnola3333 14h ago
I heard her mate, Paul, once beat a computer in a staring contest. Of course, Paul lost his eyes in the process. She thinks that may have been the computers plan all along.
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u/crapusername47 22h ago
Very deliberately showing Alan Turing on the £50 notes Tommy pulled out of Lisa’s ear.
For those unaware, £50s aren’t very common here in the UK so showing them so prominently is a deliberate choice.
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u/Carolina_Lazio 19h ago
Been a while since I’ve seen a bullseye in public
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u/crapusername47 18h ago
I don’t think cash machines even given them out.
You are guaranteed a funny look and the note being held up to the light if you try to pay for something with one.
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u/chickenkebaap 16h ago
Haven’t seen one in three years.
I made the mistake of bringing all my savings of in liquid when i came to the UK for the first time and realised my mistake when given the stink eye for carrying cash around lmao
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u/daminiskos0309 21h ago
I really liked it. A good mix of character development, action and world building.
His cast of internal characters is great. And the inner workings are fantastic interpretations of systems (pigeons = email is funny)
The sacrifice at the end of ep 2 is interesting. Having your threat analysis essentially sacrifice itself will definitely come back around in later episodes.
I really like the casting for Tommy. His struggle of trying to understand who he is mirrors vision fantastically.
Looking forward to next weeks releases .
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u/Jules-Car3499 1d ago
Dang this show is cartoonishly brutal for a non-MA Marvel show.
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u/onlivethedead 22h ago
Alot easier to get away with violence when its against a robot and not a person, its probably gonna get alot worse but it's fine if its gears and wires flying and not bones lol.
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u/FindingPawnee 18h ago
Paladin killed like 2 people with headshots with blood splattering against the wall. lol
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u/Curious_Fix3131 17h ago
Wasn't that vision who lasered a guy and blood splattered across a window?
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u/Rude-Cattle-4135 13h ago
Sir, the vision snapped multiple necks. He burned a guy to ash. He splattered a mans blood all over a hospital window. The robot getting hurt is not what makes the show brutal and gory (more so than expected at least)
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u/KeyOcelot4679 1d ago
BRO WHY JARVIS! DUME AND U were right there!
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u/ergattonero 23h ago
Wait for when they'll speak for the first time and die. Or for a whole episode with no line of dialogue, when they will sacrifice themself in the end.
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u/bucketofsteam 16h ago
i think he was the only one (aside from ultron) still together enough to move
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u/redsyrus 22h ago
Enjoyed the first 2 eps a lot. Hearing Vision’s grief line again brought back plenty of emotion.
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 11h ago
Agreed. It is a fantastic line. And Ultron bringing back the Ship of Theseus though exercise and completely flipping it around was also brilliant.
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u/sleepysaurus7777 21h ago
Don't be the ship(Mechanism)
Be the King(Hero)
An awakening
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u/kalsikam 9h ago
Ultron was ultimately right, "what happens when they notice back"
Something/someone was going to come looking for Vision eventually, Ultron just sped up the process.
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u/Tiraloparatras25 1d ago
Dunno if you catch up, but family is forever. Homeboy( whom vision called brother) is not dead, he is alongside all the others are…vision. So my hunch is that eventually, just like homeboy( not naming him on purpose), all will have to join in to bring vision to who he aspires to be. Even ultron.
For he isn’t jarvis, he isn’t ultron, he is both and not at all( and all the others).
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u/DelBrowserHistory 15h ago
I'm still onboard with this, except the final one will be Ultron, not vision.
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u/Eraserhead36 16h ago
I’m truly enjoying seeing spader back as ultron. Always thought he was an amazing casting choice.
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u/Relevant_Active_2347 15h ago
So, no one's gonna talk about Adamantium already being weaponized and confirmed to be able to pierce Vibranium, huh?
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u/Mage-of-Fire 11h ago
Im just confused on why Vision didn’t simply have the bullets phase through him?
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u/Whatsinanamethename 10h ago
I blame it on the EMP. His abilities didn't work yet?
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u/kalsikam 9h ago
Yea I think the EMP messed up his abilities, but maybe he doesn't bother phasing because bullets usually don't warrant it?
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u/Potterless12 4h ago
It's also obvious he's never had to dodge a bullet. I'm yelling at the screen for him to dodge and he just keeps walking forward.
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u/FantasticFourLGD 19h ago
Based on the way they framed the shot with the picture of Jim Hammond, the OG Human Torch, I think hes probably going to be the twist villain. Set it up like it'll be Ultron pulling the strings, but its actually the Human Torch. And with how Torch became the Vision in the new Ultimate line, the characters are already sort of connected
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 11h ago
In the mainline Marvel comics, Vision was built from Jim Hammond's body originally, until they retconned it to be an alternate body or something like that. It was likely because they wanted to bring Jim back as a character and couldn't do that if Vision was using his body.
BUT what is the connection in the MCU? We've seen the original Human Torch at the expo in Captain America 1, but never been given any indication that he was part of Vision's construction.
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u/Metal-Banana-72 2h ago
I think it would be somthing like Howard Stark created the Human Torch who was presumed to be destroyed in an accident of some kind ( hence the painting) but is actually alive. Tony grew up in fascination of his father's creation hence all of Tony's creations like Jarvis consider Human Torch to be their ancestor.
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u/Disastrous_Key_9247 16h ago
Dang how’d that go down? The torch becomes the vision???
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u/ducegraphy 12h ago
It's pretty cool, I suggest you read the Ultimates (2025). I liked that version of Jim/Vision a lot. He killed Hitler!
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u/Chemical_Bill_8533 14h ago
He gets sent back in time to recruit an earlier version of the Wasp to act as a triple agent and over time he has to rebuild parts of himself eventually becoming the Vision
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u/No-Side-6437 11h ago
They just did this trope though with how the tva was created or at least the handbook which helped victor create the tva
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u/Digresser 4h ago
the twist villain
I think the twist is that whoever the villain is, they're impersonating Edith.
Her purpose from the MCU has massively changed, and when would Vision have even interacted with her?
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 11h ago
I want to call out Ruaridh Mollica as Tommy. I'm not familiar with him at all, but he's great. I am hoping he ends up taking the name "Quicksilver", since Speed is a dumb codename and the original Quicksilver is dead in the MCU. It would be a nice tribute to his uncle.
Also, Todd Stashwick has been a minor character in tons of things, but he's absolutely killing it here. Who would have thought we'd get Paladin in live action?
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u/Conscious-Position-5 11h ago
Todd Stashwick it's a Terry Matalas regular. I really liked him in season 3 of Picard.
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u/kalsikam 9h ago
Stashwick was great in Picard S3 as Shaw, the "no" he says to the sniper before offing him was homage to Picard I think lol
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u/gsnake007 10h ago
9/10. Really enjoyed this and I could listen to James Spader talk like Ultron all damn day and it never gets old
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u/GizmotheDM 17h ago
I never expected the goes wrong show to collab with marvel but this is beautiful. For those who don't know D.U.M.E and U.'s actors are both from the Goes Wrong Show, a hilarious British comedy that I recommend a lot. I genuinely did a double take when I saw them.
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u/_thenewnewguy_ 16h ago
So JARVIS sacrifices himself because he is the superior one amongst the other AIs and he would be harnessing more power/ resources?
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u/Wirezat 13h ago
That part confuses me so much because couldn't he just stop his process? There is no reason to delete his data if processing power was the issue
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u/dragn99 12h ago
With programming as complex as his (a localized AI bordering on sentience), it's possible just keeping his code accessible was taking a lot of power.
If it doesn't make sense in the real world, assume sci-fi shenanigans.
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u/DrunkenHorse12 53m ago
Its sci fi shenanigans. They are computer programs their data is stored somewhere and as soon as they are turned back on they would return to the last saved state.
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u/jerryfrz 13h ago
Vision lasering the thugs like its nothing reminds me of Homelander
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u/Prior_Confidence4445 10h ago edited 10h ago
Homelander would have killed paladin the first chance outside the pub. Or the second inside the pub. Or the third at the hospital. Which brings up my main complaint about the show so far. It only works because vision doesn't do the obvious thing and kill him. He killed plenty of minions.
Edit: or even try to force information out of him. The first two encounters, he had all the time in the world for a longer "talk".
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u/GallifreysChildIs 9h ago
Yeah this was something that annoyed me too.
Like the looking menacingly at the bad guy works when the hero clearly doesn't want to kill anyone.
But White Vision clearly has no issue killing considering the massacre 5 seconds previously.
Why not just laser that guy too
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u/loskiarman 6h ago
The bad guy is also going soft on him considering he went after Vision with basic gear and called him to a meeting without a trap there either. Best bounty-hunter ever doesn't know anything about Vision it looks like. Like literally at the bar first time, Vision gets shot like 10 times by two guys before he gets to them. Why didn't he attack Vision with adamantium bullets in the first place when he had the element of surprise? They could have just sniped him too considering Vision couldn't save the person beside him, he couldn't have dodged it either probably. Did they really want us to think he learned how impervious Vision is after the first encounter when he can send a message to him easily and has a room that can weaken him in a day after the first encounter?
Also still using basic gear at hospital is just sacrificing people for no reason at all too, like why? You could have one of the million other heroes there and there is %80 chance that you can argue a lucky shot can make it, like 'new' avengers has only one hero that is bulletproof but you know this isn't the case with Vision. Why would any one of those goons would be like 'Yep sure boss, I'll attack Vision with this regular gun.'?
Overall I like the show and its theme though I hate that it has the regular 'don't think too much about how events develop, we just got a nice storyboard that we are trying to tell' most shows has these days. It is like paying for a sandwich and they just give you the ingredients instead of making it.
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u/GallifreysChildIs 33m ago
Yeah kind of felt like he's was taking strategy advice from Zapp Branegan
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u/No-Side-6437 12h ago edited 11h ago
Idk who needs to hear this but I’m
Halfway through the first episode and this is by far my favorite superhero tv show yet , ultron is hilarious , the part with the stark helper AIs had me laughing so hard and the show is just so good.
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u/Super_Amphibian_2048 14h ago
Just finished watching the first two episodes of Visionquest and I am very satisfied with how they have turned out. I hope the whole series is as good as those introductory episodes...
I have a question that has been bugging me. Did we get a confirmation in Agatha All Along whether Billy Maximoff is a combination of Kaplan and Wanda's Billy or did Kaplan completely die?
I guess we are not yet sure for Tommy as we see him struggling with having memories as Thomas AND Tommy in Visionquest, but I pressume the outcome will be the same for both sons (they will either be a comination of their old and new selves or they will just be their new selves).
I really hope they are somehow a combination of their two identities as it hurts me to know that, as we saw in Visionquest, Thomas had a terrible life (it would be so sad to know that an orphan was killed by bullies and never got to exprience happiness and love in his life).
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 11h ago
Kaplan did definitely physically die, and Billy took his body. I am assuming the original Thomas Shepard also physically died. I wonder if the difference is the age in which it happened. Billy/William both died really young, and then he's a young adult by the time we 'meet' him on screen. Thomas was a young adult when he died and is now incorporating a child Tommy into his psyche?
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u/Super_Amphibian_2048 10h ago
They might have physically died but there might be a chance their minds are merging with Billy's and Tommy's, don't you think?
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange 10h ago
Sure. I was just theorizing that the age it happened for each of them may have impacted how disruptive that merging may be.
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u/Fickle-Ad-7124 8h ago
I think they are just the the Billy and Tommy from the hex, but by assuming the body they have someone else’s brain full of someone else’s memories that aren’t them from the previous Kaplan and Shepherd who are now gone. But there isn’t two souls in the body, it’s just the one soul of Wanda’s sons. Over time Billy seemed to understand how to supress the memories and fully be “Billy Maximoff” and I suspect he will help Tommy do the same. He asks Agatha when he’s helping Tommy find a body “am I killing this boy?” So he knows the original inhabitant of their body is no longer there.
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u/Silent_Wave3137 11h ago
I’m gonna be fucking pissed if this whole show could’ve been avoided by vision just killing Paladin when he first saw him. He just killed 20 people why would he fly away after staring down the boss?
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u/Prior_Confidence4445 10h ago
He's had 3 chances to kill him but doesn't despite killing lots of henchmen. Even if it didn't solve all his problems, it seems like an obvious move in the right direction. At least try to force some info out of him.
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u/kalsikam 9h ago
I think he was attempting to in the asylum, just was damaged, he fucked up Paladin pretty bad with that hit.
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u/DarthTigris 9h ago
I'm sure this could be No-Prize'd, but the real honest answer is just Plot Armor.
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u/baz853 9h ago
is this the first use of Adamantium in the MCU?
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u/ItsBenWhoCares 7h ago
Nah, Brave New World officially introduced it with the Celestial that was in the ocean from Eternals. I also noticed that it's different from the comic book version by it not being man-made lol.
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u/shiftingwithkeiko Bucky Barnes 12h ago
I really loved it so far, it's sooo fire! I think it has a great potential, I can't wait for next week. The set is so beautiful. And I did NOT expect Cunk to appear, but I'm loving it xD Though, I must say, I cried a bit when I saw the flashbacks of Wanda... the wound is still too raw ughhh
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u/Shoddy_hold_1610 13h ago
Paladin is alive on sheer fucking plot armor. He called you to the pub unarmed. Where he went on to tell you your son's location. Why the fuck did you let him live? Oh!!! Because you're a hero! Ok. Understandable. Then you go on to fucking evaporate 69 dude. Then you, a machine made with THE most advanced tech of the era, fail to sense the machines behind the wall and got done in by EMP. By fucking EMP!!!! At this point, a snot nosed brat might as well put you down. And for that reason Jarvis my goat had to sacrifice himself. I swear to god, if you don't have a backup of Jarvis, I will come into the show and shove Adamantium Up Yo ASS.
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u/cetinkaya 11h ago
who approved that paladin suit lmao
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u/BlueHero45 8h ago
Have you seen the comic one? Was shocked they gave him a suit at all.
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u/ItsBenWhoCares 7h ago
The comic one looks like ass no matter what LOL. Idk what kind of drugs Shooter/Infantino was smoking but that shit is an L. The man looks like he would fit in that one Malcom in the Middle episode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/186igs/one_of_bryan_cranstons_prime_moments_prior_to/
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u/tanttrum 9h ago
Dumme and U being played by the guys from The Goes Wrong Show made me so happy! I love them!
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u/PlantsNBugs23 9h ago
I enjoyed the first two episodes so far, it's nice to see this Vision kind of struggle to balance the whole "I'm not Vision" with "I am Vision" even if he might not voice it and it seems like Ultron & Jarvis are playing angel & devil, both give similar advice but in their own ways.
It kind of makes you wonder who is actually going about it correctly since on one hand you should keep your emotions at bay sometimes but on the other hand strong emotions is what ultimately drives a person and gives them that will to do things others might not do.
Edit: Also love the henchmen shooting vison, sees that it's not working, and continuing to shoot at him.
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u/AnalogueInterfa3e 6h ago
I'm sorry. It seems that most of the comments here are positive. So it seems people are enjoying. After loving WandaVision and Agatha. I was excited for this also. But, this is just not it for me so far.
I can't be the only one who finds the dialogue to be really quite awful. So much "As you know" kind of exposition and the most banal simple jokes. The whole thing just feels cheap.
I'm gathering this isn't a popular opinion. I'll also continue to give it a chance. There is enough in the premise for it to be quite engaging. Hopefully, once it gets fully into it's plot, the quality can improve. There should be less awful "As you know" exposition moments at the least.
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u/Ornery-Interview7479 6h ago
I was on board as soon as I saw Bob Kazamakis but man I didn't expect to be crying at the end of the second episode. And both Paul bettany and James Spader are amazing and so is everyone else so far. Excited about the upcoming episodes.
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u/Moist-Bid3224 1h ago
Clearly Ultron wanted Jarvin to off himself to get control of vision but he seems to be playing the long game. I think it’s either Wanda or ultron who hired the paladin 😳
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u/Commercial_Desk_6215 15h ago
Spader is really carrying, honestly. Speed is great too but I am finding it hard to care about any of the AI or about Vision himself.
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u/danm888 11h ago
Not loving the totally lazy facsimile of an 'Edinburgh Pub' or the usual tourist traps of London, football fans, and every accent imaginable. Bettany is playing the comedian Christopher Titus, Paladin seems to be played by an actor camping it up and chewing the scenery, only to be possibly saved by adding Philomena Cunk to the MCU. It's a mess.
I'm only watching for the saving grace of Spader. Ultron is such a wonderful character, verbose and witty, but he has managed to say 'bullshit' twice in 2 episodes.
I don't care for any of the characters or the mechanics of the show to either wrap up the WandaVision trilogy, or for White Vision to pop up in Doomsday.
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u/DieserCoookie 1d ago
Marvel logic strikes again... (i still liked both episodes)
Spoiler for episode 2: He phases grenades but when it comes to facing Paladin he forgets again...
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u/Standard_Engineer_52 1d ago
ig u can say he was weak from the emp room....
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u/DieserCoookie 21h ago
You're right and to be absolutley honest, i wasnt considering the longer lasting effects of the emp. Especially since in most hero movies there mostly arent any long lasting consequences after the danger is over.
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u/Standard_Engineer_52 21h ago
i expected the same, but its good to see a hero kind of suffering from an attack by the villain rather than just be fully incapacitated or comes back immediately after
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u/Short_Brick_1960 Hawkeye 22h ago edited 22h ago
EMP room frying Vision from the inside plus bullets made of adamantium. What else have you not understood? I'll help you, Thomas Shepherd is Tommy reincarnated
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u/Plainchant 22h ago
Thomas Shepherd is Tommy reincarnated
Why do superheroes always have delinquent kids?
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u/DieserCoookie 21h ago
Man, no need to be an ass. I simply hadnt accounted for the lasting effect of the emp when I wrote the comment.
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u/Starheart24 23h ago
I just assumed he was still disoriented from the magnet room, since he didn't use any power or ability at all after coming out (just tanked the shots and punched back)
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u/ergattonero 23h ago
It's stated in episode that the bullets were made of Vibranium, which is already said to be difficult to phase.
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u/Bloth_Hoondr666 22h ago
adamantium actually, which can damage vibranium as it’s a stronger element
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u/Fabiiiiiiiiii 22h ago
It was the first mention of adamantium in the MCU until now, right? It hyped me a little bit
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u/NoThru22 22h ago
Adamantium was the main plot point of Brave New World.
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u/Capital_Gate6718 21h ago
The Celestial from Eternals is made of adamantium, which is also in Brave New World
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u/DieserCoookie 21h ago
I know that the bullets were made out of adamantium, i just completly forgot the lasting effects of the emp, so my bad.
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u/corneliusbread 21h ago
dont forget the fact that Vision was willing to evaporate random thugs but the 3 times he encounters the paladin, he just decides to let him go.
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u/imstilldan 15h ago
Based on the other Maximoff family shows, it’s lazier and more unimaginative compared to Wandavision and Agatha all along. The whole time for those shows you’re wondering wtf is going on until it’s revealed at the end. I’m hoping we get back to a more meaningful storyline and less about using fight scenes and one off marvel characters we’ll never see again(paladin).Also having Jarvis be played by someone else was a weird choice. They should have just let Paul play both Jarvis and vision. We literally heard his voice before he was vision.
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u/Evansyperson 14h ago
Not sure if you were aware prior to watching, but the actor for J.A.R.V.I.S. is James D'Arcy, who played Edwin Jarvis (Howard Stark's butler) in Agent Carter, along with a callback cameo role in Endgame.
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u/spideyispeterparker 5h ago edited 5h ago
So far i loved lt.. (spoilers ahead obviously)
BUT THEY KILLED JARVIS?! JEEZ JUST KILL EDITH ALREADY ! (Also i had a thought while watching, would Edith and by extension vision know peter is Spider-Man ? Like does the spell work on AI's too?) I'm also not sure how or when all the other ai's got here, maybe they said it and i just missed it, i get jarvis and ultron being here...but why are Edith, friday, U, and dumbe (dumby? Idk how it's written) here?
I like that we're getting to see more of wanda's kids, last time they were important was in dr.strange MOM, and now they're finally back, i was Wondering if they ever would as i recently learned they do in the comics
It also got me Wondering if they'll talk about Billy? Because right now we're only hearing about tommy, will only tommy be brought back? Or will Billy be brought back, and if he is, will it be later in this show or later in the MCU?
Also find it weird vision (or whatever we call him now) still thinks they're his kids, and ultron says he met the original vision before, because that's just not true, the twins were from the vision he met, and the vision he met, was the one from westview, not the actual original, it was just an illusion, a copy made from wanda's memories, so white vision never met the original vision, and the kids technicaly aren't from him, even if he has the original vision memories, he shouldn't remember them, because that was the westview vision, he probably knew about them but shouldn't have memories of being their father since that was westview vision who is different from the original, and therefor white vision shouldn't have enherited his memories, unless something happened in Wanda vision to get his memories which i don't remember, it's been a while
Also wonder where the original human torch is from, as far as we know tony didn't creat him, maybe howard Stark but did they have AI's back then? Even for howard it seems too advenced
Anyway so far i like the show a lot
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u/Digresser 4h ago
I don't think it's really Edith. I think it's another AI disguised as her.
Her purpose from the MCU has massively changed, and when would Vision have even interacted with her?
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u/spideyispeterparker 4h ago edited 4h ago
Hmm maybe, it's true they never interacted i found that weird, but i don't think friday and vision did either, or U and DUM-E
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u/Digresser 4h ago
But they existed at the same time. Edith was developed after Thanos killed Vision, I think?
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u/spideyispeterparker 4h ago
Edith already existed in infinity war, y'know that scene where tony takes for his glasses and taps his chest and his nano tech armor colère on, and we see him in armor and his nano tech for the first time? The glasses he takes off are Edith
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u/Digresser 4h ago
In that scene he puts on the glasses and immediately says, "Friday, what am I looking at?"
Don't forget that Edith stands for "Even Dead, I'm The Hero".
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u/spideyispeterparker 4h ago
Aaahh right, well sorry, i thought i remembered the glasses being Edith tho, hearing people say it and it looks like the same glasses but i was wrong ig, well idk how Edith is here either way
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u/Digresser 4h ago
Tony probably based the Edith glasses on the same type of glasses as the Friday design.
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u/CaliforniaBoundX 1d ago
James Spader is freaking phenomenal.
“Long live the king”!